92 348TS FOR SALE W/SALVAGE TITLE

I believe he was referring to this:

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Has everyone's sense of humor just vanished?

Come on guys... lighten up.

Mike

 

And they said the last POTUS, a fighter jet pilot no less, was dumb.

This shall hereafter be known as the thread that just won't die.

 

Never seen the Obama thing before. That's funny right there.

 

Tom , your back in business !

 

"You're"

 

Exactly.

 

Thanks Mike , I'm a college dropout! No real egeamacation.

 

This post shows to me that Tom really took time to think about the future owner's enjoyment of the car and I think that is honorable. There was no reason for the car to be 'branded' in the initial for sale post as long as it was disclosed early to actual prospective buyers.

If I were in the market and prepared to buy a salvage titled vehicle I would have appreciated his tact.

Those that learned of the branding upon communicating with Tom should have respected his privacy and not aired it as they certainly don't appear to have received his consent to do so.

Yes, some within the community will have appreciated the disclosure so as to have prevented them emailing, messaging or calling but that pales in comparison to the stigma being attributed to an otherwise 'pristine' vehicle.

Good luck selling Tom, I would have personally considered the car regardless of title but alas Canada does not permit such vehicles on the road.

And I know everyone's already given their two cents and mine is somewhat delayed but I had to post something to justify the last half hour of my life that will never be returned. I did chuckle though.

 

Tom really was an honorable man wasn't he? A true gentleman.

Bait and Switch
the action (generally illegal) of advertising goods that are an apparent bargain, with the intention of substituting inferior or more expensive goods.
"a bait-and-switch scheme"

Not sure what the laws are in Canada but in America there are laws against "Bait and Switch" tactics. It prevents the seller from advertising one thing to get a customer into their store and then selling them an inferior (not as listed) or more expensive item. By legal definition, Tom has engaged (and admitted) in this practice. While his claimed intention is to "protect the customer" this is still not a legal practice. This is the equivalent of Best Buy advertising 2015 LG 60" LED TV at approx 10% less than competing stores. Customer comes into the store to purchase it and finds out it is a refurbished model. Best Buy claimed that they did this so "John" didn't have to face the "stigma" from his friends for owning a refurbished TV in his living room, it wouldn't matter. This would still be illegal as it was not mentioned in the advertisement.

Tom has admitted to knowingly withholding information that devalues his product. Regardless of what you ethically think of his intentions (which I believe were done to purposely deceive in order to bring in "customers") it is not legal.

I have a better one for you. I would like to sell you a Ferrari with a salvage title. Unlike Tom, I'll NEVER tell you it has one. I wouldn't be deceiving you, that's not my intent. I just really want you to be happy with your purchase and not have to feel any stigma internally about owning a salvage car. I'll do this for you to ensure your happiness! It's the least I could do!

 

Your analogy of bait and switch does not apply. There was no switch nor was there any false advertising. There was no pressure that I'm aware of to push someone to buy it either.

A piece of information was withheld until an actual interested party made contact. There were many pieces of information withheld. Any large transaction will involve multiple communications among parties. Tom indicated that he addressed the title issue immediately upon speaking with someone that put an ounce of effort towards communicating with him. That all seems reasonable to me.

What you are really saying is that any branding of title is very important to you and you think it should be advertised front and centre. I agree that this may assist someone that has no interest in a salvage branded vehicle but there is no rule, law etc. requiring it so Tom has done no wrong. Tom's strategy was actually the best approach in my view for his intended goal, which is to sell his car without degrading the actual product due to stigma of branding.

For example, X calls Tom about car. Tom advises re title and all else about the car. X does due diligence and makes purchase. Both are happy.

The only unhappy people in this strategy are those that are completely closed to the purchase of a salvage branded vehicle and feel wronged about having to email, message or call to find that out. Tom does not have to cater his advertisement to those people so he has done no wrong. You don't have to like it and we can agree to disagree but I see no real harm in Tom's approach.

Once again, good luck with the sale Tom. I'm sorry if my posting has just dragged up the issue rather than helping.

 

How you can't see how my analogy applies is beyond me. But whatever. The "switch" occurred when the potential buyer calls and find out the car listed is salvage. Same as the advertisement "not listing" a tv a refurbished. Seriously, if you saw a tv listed in a Best Buy ad for a lower than normal price and then reached out to the store or stopped in only to find it was refurbished, wouldn't you be irritated and feel misled? It's the same thing. Exactly.

 

I've mentioned this here before but I will quickly retell my personal story about tom and this car.

I contacted Tom here on F-chat via PM interested to know what kind of wheels were on his car. One thing leads to another and Tom reveals that he doesn't use the car much and he's willing to sell it.

That leads Tom and I to exchange several emails about price, condition, when the car was last serviced and by whom and feel free to get in touch with Andy Falbo in Pheonix and ask him about the car.

I contact Andy Falbo with several questons and Andy gets back to me with answers and (ANDY) mentions the salvage title.

I get back to Tom that I emailed with Andy, was satisfied with the confirmation of the service work and that he (Andy) had mentioned the title issue yet I was still iterested in the car and my offer was "X". My offer "X" was not insulting and very close to Tom's $30k but I never recieved a personal communication from Tom after that point.

This exchange was Jan/Feb of 2014 and Tom conveniently doesn't recall this and says the car was never for sale until this listing. Tom may not have been "advertising" it at that point but through our emails and PM's and we got to the point of talking price and I went to the trouble of confirming service history so I don't know how that does not constitute "being for sale"

I was a buyer no matter the title status, it took someone other than Tom to bring that status to my attention, Tom dissappeared from our conversation after I brought it up.

Thats my story, make of it what you will.

 

I have a shovel I can ship you, if you'd like... it's not a new shovel, and may even have a salvage title, but it's a good useable shovel, and I would be happy to ship it to you at no charge SHOULD YOU WISH TO DIG YOURSELF ANY DEEPER OF A HOLE IN THIS THREAD!!!

No warranties expressed or implied - it's a salvage shovel.

 

I wouldn't think twice about the salvage title (provided it is now a transferable title and the car checks out.) Our family car is a rebuilt title and we saved $8,000 over what we would have paid for a normally titled car. It all depends on the history and what you want to do with the car. We drive ours until they don't drive no more. Same for the Ferrari, we have no plans to sell it. I don't care what is on the title as long as it is in my hands and not the bank's. But then I'm 47 years old and I've never sold a car for more than $500.

Dave

 

I have to agree with Dave.

I'm currently looking at 430s, and if I could find one with a salvage title that wasn't a flood car, that checks out and I could transfer whenever it was time to move on, I'd buy it in a minute.

Mike

 

The best DD I've had in my life was a salvage car I rebuilt. And I also saved a lot. I pesonnaly sent it to the wrecker after it was time for it to leave the road because of rust. Other than that I would have keep it.

Nothing wrong with a properly repaired salvage car.

 

Funny stuff!!

 

As I said about 16 pages ago, I don't care if it's an 1985 Z28 that's been sitting under a tree for 15 years I'd want to know about a salvage title, and why it has it, BEFORE I could become a prospective buyer.

 

100% support this savage titled car. Its $30k, I find it ridicules people are looking at the resale value on a $30k ferrari. If the car works, worst case after driving it for a couple years, the car looses $2-5k on resale because of the title? If 2-5k is too much for you, I don't think you want to even buy a Ferrari. Drive it, enjoy it and stop worrying about resale. As long as the car works well, I just don’t see why all the hate.

Also that Bait and switch example with Best Buy is not even correct. It is like Best Buy told you it was refurbished and you kept asking why it was refurbished. Give the guy a break. I don’t ask why you keep asking him for the story. Any story he tells you, you are probably not going to believe him. If you want a story, I heard Santa is back in town.