Ferrari Gestione Sportiva Reorganisation

Well, I am not sure if I agree with you completely on this one. I would say that Alonso is far and away the best driver on the grid, but I think that Hamilton benefitted greatly by a superior package (just look how well Rosberg did in a similar car). Don't forget that when Hamilton was paired with Button he was beaten by him on race day most of the time (though not qualifying). I think Vettel proved his worth, you don't win four championships back to back solely on the merits of superior machinery. I think this year the reason Vettel did poorly vs his teammate was the same reason Raikkonen did poorly, their driving style requires a solidly planted front end and its not entirely suited to the new hybrid era, and they both had more trouble adapting than the other drivers (though both Vettel and Raikkonen were starting to come into their own towards the tail end of the season). Hopefully with both of them at Ferrari the engineers will try to suit the cars more to their driving styles. I hope.

 

Moreover would you feel comfortable being hired by this team with a mad axeman on the loose.

I fear the rot has set in for a dismal time in F1, as predicted some time ago, they have no structure.

What you need is experience and it doesn't seem to me that many have this unless they recruit heavily and promise stability to new people. all they can hope for is that the others screw up (unlikely) or they hire a unknown genius (unlikely)

 

So true

 

I don´t think that changing one guy here and there is going to really make a difference in the short term, but Fry´s cars were not good and, as that genius said, insanity is doing always the same and expect different results. Worst case scenario: not a lot to loose at this moment.

And if you think that so much card shuffling is bad for the morale of the team, that nobody will want to go there for fear of being axed, etc, just ask Ron Dennis, who has been doing the same these past years: it´s time for changes.

 

I'd rate Hamilton above Vettel. He just seems to be missing something to me. When Hamilton has momentum he seems to raise his game on race day

Frankly, I do think you can win 4 championships back to back soley on a superior machine. I also think it's clear that RB was favoring him over Webber so to me that argument is moot.

Did you mean they needed a more solidly planted rear end? I think the problem was in the rear, not in the front end, especially watching Kimi slide the Ferrari around. It's never a good sign when your teammate adapts and you don't. To me that just exposed how much dependecy Vettel had on a planted rear end (blown diffusers/KERS traction control, etc). Now that all that stuff has been banned he's getting beaten by Ricciardo? A true great can drive anything fast. Vettel just isn't there, as far as I'm concerned. I have no idea what Kimi's problem was.

 

When agnelli hired micheal the race team was a mess only thing that was any good was the little french man . The first thing micheal did was sack the English development team and replace them with ross the boss . Agnelli brothers put the money in to ferrari to develop the 550 and 360 after that was done they hired schumi and the rest is history . Ldm was the the Italian face of the company Nothing more

 

Pretty sure Michael didn't do any of the hiring or firing. Ferrari basically hired all the ex Benneton folks (Brawn/Byrne) and went from there.

 

Agnelli didn't hire Michael, it was Luca di Montezemolo that hired first Jean Todt and then Michael Schumacher. He knew a good thing when he saw it and knew what Ferrari needed to turn around their fortunes. Also, you're forgetting about Ross Brawn, and Rory Byrne, both of whom were English and both of whom played a major role in Ferrari's and Michael's success. Luca closed the English development satellite in the UK though, which was a good thing. It was Luca who influenced the Agnelli brothers to put the money into Ferrari to develop the 550 and the 360, and to hire personnel for the Scuderia that brought Ferrari success on the track. LdM played a major role and if you don't believe that then see what happens in the next few years without him there.

 

Perfect analysis.

 

LOL, you guys are arguing with a mule head. Good luck with that.

Agnelli brothers? Who the heck are you talking about?

-F

 

You don't know the agnelli family and you think you something about fiat ferrari or money they owned fiat and they saved the greatest Italy brand because they cared . There was a plan in place to sell off ferrari in the early 00s but after GA passing them plans were put away Noone what had the power to sell off ferrari

 

Good riddance, they certainly didn't deliver. Pat Fry was the genius behind the pull-rod front suspension in Clifford, the Big Red Dog (aka Ferrari's F2012 F1 car for 2012). That useless setup should have been scrapped after that one abortive season, but Alonso disguised the poor capabilities of that setup enough so that Fry kept it around for 2 more disappointing seasons. Just ask Massa and Kimi about how good that front suspension design was! All for a very slight potential aerodynamic benefit (and thus also goes Tombazis).

One of my 1/18 scale shelves has had this extra model on display for the past 3 years, as a tribute to Pat Fry's creation:
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You knew they ran out of ideas when they re-cycled (copy/pasted) that ridiculous high nose suspension when rules called for a low nose - and then they proceeded to produce the LOWEST nose on the grid.

I can bet that suspension - I'm not just referring to the pull-rod design - will be trashed next year. The absurd ATV-style wishbone angles with resulting high roll center (especially compared to the rear roll center) and poor camber gain just could not be good for the handling of a race car. All the top teams moderated the wishbone angles this year as the aero gains were just not there with lower nose - everybody except Ferrari.

 

I guess ol' Fry really worked for McLaren the whole time. He'll probably resurface there.

 

Funny I had the same impression. And maybe alonso was too?

 

It was probably just a miscalculation on Ferrari's part. They tried to poach the designer responsible for the recent McLarens, and targeted Fry - meanwhile, it was Paddy Lowe who they should have targeted... and he scampered off to Mercedes a year later, and look what he did for them!

 

Glad to see Clifford has a good home . Just shows how much a man can love his dog

 

Lots of opinions on here that I agree with. The tech team had to go-it was like watching the Jets play. Both the jets gm and coach have to go just as ferrari's tech team had to go. I think Arrivabene and his connections can be useful long term. Improvement won't happen overnight but at least they are trying to address the problem. Fred knew the tech team was a cluster f and moved on as his shelf life is waning. We won't have an Allison Ferrari until 2016 it seems....

 

Chassis and aero improvements can happen quickly, there are no development restrictions on them. If Allison can produce a good chassis design, with the proper suspension, it can be developed over a fairly short period. Aero is the same, it can be developed fairly quickly. Of course that assumes that there is enough talent to come up with a good design.

Still, it all comes back to the PU. The limits on design, development and testing are too restrictive. No matter how good the chassis and aero might be they cannot overcome a 50-70 hp deficit.

 

After Alonso's departure and all these changes in the organisation, the sacking of the engineering staff, the new management, there is not much left that I like at Ferrari, apart from Kimi.

I am just loosing interest with the Scuderia, and I won't root for Vettel.

 

Agreed. Kimi probably won't last past next year though, unless he beats Vettel which I would love to see.

 

Look for a few of the old crew to land at Haas this coming year..

 

Given Kimi's position in life, he will probably retire in the next couple of years anyway, especially with the little one due in January.

 

Good point, probably true.

 

Marmorini: Ferrari sacrificed engine for aero - GPUpdate.net
Probably old news but relevant.