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930 Turbo Carrera

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  1. bk934

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  2. idart

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    The Porsche sales department included an introduction memo in their Turbo press release for the October 1974 Paris Salon. At that time, Porsche would have to build 500 production cars to race in Group 4 (and subsequently Group 5) IAW FIA Appendix J. After the Paris Salon, the FIA changed Appendix J and only required manufactures to build 400 production cars for Group 4. There was no doubt an urgent need for the sales department to usher in orders for the new Turbo at the Paris Salon. They even invited potential buyers to see the new turbo at the Porsche stand on 2 October. Rough translation below...

    Very Dear Colleague,

    The company Porsche will put a new crown to its model program. The Paris car show has “Porsche turbo” premiere, a top model, who documents the performance level and the progressiveness of the Porsche technology.

    We have sent you a detailed description. If you should visit personally that Paris salon, then we may hereby at the same time invite you to the presentation of the new model on 2 October at 15.00 o'clock on the Porsche conditions.
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  4. Shlobeck

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    Rich, it's crazy for me to think where you found your car.. What an incredible history it has. Thanks for sharing.
     
  5. 930

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    Ditto that!
     
  6. pquadrat

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    I am looking for the air injection Pump and parts that belong to it like the distribution tube below the engine, has someone these for sale? It is for a 930/52 engine, but from a /51 or /53 it should be the same. I am in located Germany, but I have an US adress to ship to.

    Pictures are from my previous 930, a RoW 1976 car in silver with full black leather interior. I sold it some time ago, but now I am working to get my next 1976 RoW Turbo ready. Oak green with black and Tartan interior.
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  9. pu911

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    Lovely car, looks like interior is new as well as exterior trim, surprised they didn't get correctly finished wheels on it.
    Phil
     
  10. flumpy

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    A nice original car with good history and colour scheme, I'm guessing $275,000?
     
  11. kouwenhoven

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    The white one was 325.000, I think you're at least 100.000 too low...

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  12. voitureltd935

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    I like it better also however both $325 as reported on Pelican.
     
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  16. idart

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    Porsche started using "911 Turbo" in the early 1980s when the 924 Turbo arrived. The only "911 Turbo" designation I've seen on a 3-liter turbo, 1975 to 1977 (part, manual, brochure, etc.) is on the engine fan decal.
     
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  18. ersatzS2

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    Wonderful pix, thanks. What a car. I never understood why the cooling fan wasn't horizontal like that for all air-cooled sixes. The vertical configuration always seemed fussier to me from an under hood packaging standpoint...
     
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  20. Shady Speedway

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    I have asked this question over on PP. Very interested to here the response from you guys......

    How many of the originals are left?

    I guess we will never really know?

    When I bough my 76 930, one of the pieces of paper that came with it was an old registration paper. It had a guys name and address. Well it's taken me two years, but I finally knocked on his door last week. The guy was over the moon to hear about the car.

    Out came the beers, we sat down and talked about the car for some time. He bought it back in the 90's for quite a bit more than I paid for it. He said he did his homework (not much internet back then). He knew they where a very special and rare car.

    In the 90's, not long after buying it. He took it to a local long time Porsche specialist asking questions. They basically told him he had wasted his money, he was never going to get his money back and should not spend any more money on it. "They where a heap of junk when they where new and they are a heap of junk now" they said.

    Given the attitude towards these cars only 20 years ago, it's not hard to see how these cars numbers where depleted so easily back then.

    They where hot property for car thieves, good candidates for thrashing at a race track. You only need to look at late 70's motorsport footage to see the huge amount of 930's out on the race track. Easily crashed by unsuspecting and inexperienced drivers. My insurance company said they are the worlds most vandalized car. Insurance companies quickly wrote them of as uneconomical repairs. They where rearranged into hot rods and race cars beyond recognition. The 75's rusted away rapidly if neglected. There are any number of reasons why they just vanished given the level of respect for them back in the day.

    To find a complete unmolested (more than 95% complete) example these days is rare. It seems the less owners it had, the better it's chance of survival.

    As we know, Porsche commissioned the production of 400 cars for homoligation purposes. About 280 75's and about 120 76's got them to this point. These 400 cars would have to be the most significant of the production history. 400 cars for an international market is a tiny amount. There are about 80 of them represented on the 930 register.

    So the question is.....

    How many of the first 400 cars remain complete, recognizable and driveable?
     
  21. pu911

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    Great story- I have one the 930/50 motors from the first 400, I can only assume it's original car met an untimely demise.

    Phil
     
  22. idart

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    Your best source on verifying surivors is Ryan's Registry numbers and it will get better with time. You may never really know the exact number but this is true of any vintage Porsche (how many 1967 911S models have survived, etc.).

    I bought my 1979 930 Turbo in the early-1990s and I don't believe the perception in the U.S. was ever that 930s were junk cars. They have always been iconic and this is still true today. It's true that the 3-liter's were the least expensive of all 930's in the 1980s, 1990s and early 2000s so many ended up in the wrong hands. The un-galvanized 1975 Turbos probably took the biggest attrition hit due to the rust worm since many were driven in European climates - sun, rain, or snow.
     
  23. pu911

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    I think it's interesting that most hard core 911 guys don't like the turbo's. Never understood the reason for this. You don't have to go back very far in time- it used to be hard to sell a nice 930 for $25k. The small brake, non- intercooled 3.0 were even cheaper and generally were consider inferior cars. I saw the light for the first time in 2013 when I was able to purchase a 77 turbo Carrera- what a terrific car.
    Phil
     

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