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Discussion in '288GTO/F40/F50/Enzo/LaFerrari/F80' started by rob lay, Oct 28, 2004.

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Best Investment of the Super Car Ferraris?

  1. 288 GTO (apx. $275k)

  2. F40 (apx. $325k)

  3. F50 (apx. $550k)

  4. Enzo (apx. $1.1m)

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  1. damcgee

    damcgee Formula 3

    Feb 23, 2003
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    I hope everyone is right about the F50 being "unloved", because it is the one Ferrari supercar I would love to own. If they blow up and reach nine figures in the next ten years, I will probably never get to own one.
     
  2. rob lay

    rob lay Administrator
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    Well, I've seen a few GTO's at under $300k lately and F40's just above $300k. FML puts the cars in this same area too.

    There is a F50 in FML right now for $525k and I know one in Dallas you could get for around $500k. I think I was a little off though and will raise to about $550k.

    Again, don't concentrate on the prices I listed, those are irrelevant, vote based on % +/- over 10+ years.
     
  3. Ferrari F1 2004

    Ferrari F1 2004 Karting

    Oct 11, 2004
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    Current sale price listings for cars mentioned:

    Ferrari 288 GTO: $300,000 USD

    Ferrari F40: 1) $ 350,000 USD
    2) $ 335,900 USD
    3) $ 325,000 USD

    Ferrari F50: 1) $ 600,000 USD
    2) $ 650,000 USD

    Ferrari Enzo: 1) $ 1.25 Million USD
    2) $ 1.3 Million USD
    3) $ 1.3 Million USD
    4) $ 1.3 Million USD

    All prices taken from cars already available for sale at www.dupontregistry.com


    No 250GTO's are available for sale, yet a REPLICA is for sale @ $ 209,900 USD.
     
  4. Tenney

    Tenney F1 Rookie
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    F40. Purposeful beauty (250 SWB of its day?). Deemed Enzo's farewell by many. The ultimate driver's Ferrari by a good few. The first supercar by others. Gadget-free by fact. Of the four Ferrari supercars, the only one that can still be had for under its original MSRP. 1300 total built. 200 U.S. cars (how many of the 399 Enzo's are U.S. cars?) and have yet to see an EPA/DOT'd euro car. While 200 cars isn't a super-low number, from a collector's perspective, Don Yenko sold 200 427 Camaros in '69 and they're selling at around 200k and rising at present.

    Wouldn't be surprised if the F40 becomes the icon of its era as the 250 GTO is of its generation. Though would suspect supply/demand will prevent F40's from ever seeing anything close to comparable GTO prices.

    Also, wouldn't be surprised if the McLaren F1 becomes the Bugatti Royale of its day (oops, off topic) in terms of build-me-the-best/cost-no-object construction.

    Second pick'd be the 288 GTO for beauty and rarity. Third would be the F50 (drive or hear one). And if I was owning purely for speculation, the Enzo would be up for sale at today's price.
     
  5. rob lay

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    All asking prices, but show the distribution. Thanks.
     
  6. judge4re

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    Drive them all and buy the one that makes you happy. None of them are really "investment" grade cars!
     
  7. ag512bbi

    ag512bbi F1 Veteran
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    20 years ago window sticker was $85,000 ish????? Now (20 years later) it more than tripled. F40 is less than window. F50 is at least $100,000 more than window. The ENZO, we'll see (I hope that triples too!!!!!!!)
     
  8. mchas

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    Bump for a 10+ year old thread. All of you who said 288 GTO were correct. Up almost 10x in the last 10 years, more than any of the others. Pretty amazing.
     
  9. joe sackey

    joe sackey Five Time F1 World Champ

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    Armen I'm sticking with you for all future predictions.
     
  10. RufMD

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    pretty cool to put the "retrospectoscope" on valuation thoughts 10 yrs ago. Looks like the age old primary factor of numbers made holds true. Rarity comes up trumps in anything collectible, simple supply and demand. The GTO valuations currently are stunning and richly deserved....beautiful car with few numbers = winner. Interestingly the F40 and F50 appreciated about the same amount with different start points (although I have no idea what the last F50 sold for tbh).

    Always fun to look back...although the time I bought an Esprit instead of a DB5 still hurts :)
     
  11. furious_ferrari

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    Latests F50's are like 1.2.-1.5 now I believe
     
  12. Dakota

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    Im a 20 year old student grabbing an MBA.
    Enzo is the end all be all for me, and hopefully my generation. I don't know if that will have an impact in 20 years, but I can hope.
     
  13. Igor Ound

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    The same order you listed them is the decreasing order in which they'll appreciate/depreciate over 10 years IMO
     
  14. 250P

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    Can I vote now ;o)
    GTO my favorite then and still now, totally irrespective of value.
     
  15. diogomsl

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    Tiffosi's dont buy Ferraris like an investment, but for pleasure, love, the man-machine relationship...
    For those who buy cars and Ferraris with the porpose of financial return, I think emblematic models like the 250 Family or the F40, limited editions like 599 GTO or even special editions like the SA Aperta or 575 Superamerica (sold for 470k$ last friday in Monterey RM Auction) are good options.
     
  16. Bill S

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    I suspect this is true for most.

    The GTO investor is happy his $275K is now $2.5M, not counting maintenance, insurance and registration.

    The same Apple (conservative stock) investor is sitting on $3.9M

    But nice to see them go up rather than down.
     
  17. ttforcefed

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    #42 ttforcefed, Jan 19, 2015
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    lol apple has a 1.3 beta - def not a conservative stock! that's high octane and if the wind blows the wrong way apple cld go back to 2002 levels with a sneeze - stocks are trading vehicles, not investments.

    as much as any investor wants to be a sage, there are very few. stocks make 7 percent a year with 15 vol -- suckers bet. and the average investor, because they are emotional, buys high and sells low - which gets them closer to 3 percent a year with a much higher vol than 15 - even more of a suckers bet for most. If people actually bought stocks down 40 percent then I wld be right there along side you Bill....but the fact is they don't. Daily liquidity is the average investors worst enemy.

    cars clearly aren't for everyone but definitely can fill a role in a diversified portfolio of assets. hard assets have inherent qualities that soft ones don't have. when the **** hits the fit, cuz it will, its always good to have hard assets in your inventory. as much as we have faith in our system, stocks are paper investments.
     
  18. rob lay

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    OK, 10 years later I will tell you the funny sad motivation to starting this thread.

    I had an agreement with John Karr for his platinum winning 288 GTO for $310k. I was a poor IT worker, Jennie just out of school, FerrariChat only 4 years old, just bought a house, and I had just bought the 355 Challenge the previous year. Surprisingly even with perfect credit, I couldn't find anyone to finance me! :eek: I had to let her go. :(
     
  19. Caeruleus11

    Caeruleus11 F1 World Champ
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    Wow Rob. I'm sorry to hear that. That's a tough one. On the other hand, we're fortunately not talking about our health, "just" cars.

    I think ttforcefed makes some great points.

    Bottom line for me is when I look at a beautiful car, I am excited, but yet my blood pressure drops and I feel a sense of calm. The same goes for when I drive it, and also when I get out and look back upon it.

    I tell my wife its cheap health insurance :)
     
  20. diogomsl

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    And who bought a Ferrari 60 years ago paid 5 or 6 grand and now they worth thousands or millions. This is financial return :)
     
  21. 250P

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    Apple since Oct 2004 is more like 30 fold right. Plus ~2% annual divi these days..

    Hindsight trading..
     
  22. Mr. Francesco

    Mr. Francesco F1 Rookie

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    288 GTO.

    Less than 300 produced, and an Enzo-era vehicle. Seems like a wise investment to me.
     
  23. Bill S

    Bill S Formula 3

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    I believe your stock info also holds true for hard assets, including gold, art, real estate etc.

    Today's F40 prices are what many people paid in 1990. And the 250 GTO? If you paid $13M for one in 1990, you'd had to hold it for 14+ years to break even.

    Lots of people sold their F40s and GTOs as they dropped, just like stocks. Same for when new models come out. I recall many people paying $200K+ to get their hands on the all-new water-cooled 996 Porsche turbo. And $500K+ for a new Ferrari 599.
     
  24. ttforcefed

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    #49 ttforcefed, Jan 20, 2015
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    true true - I guess the thing that makes poor timing more palatable with hard assets is atleast you get to enjoy them!
     
  25. Bill S

    Bill S Formula 3

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