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Honda wins engine battle with FIA

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  1. moretti

    moretti Five Time F1 World Champ
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    Nov 1, 2003
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    Ferrari will make their usual token effort :p

    Seriously, tokens ??!!

    Is this formula one or GT racing where they use restrictors to artificially hamper the engineering efforts ??
     
  2. nsxrebel

    nsxrebel Formula 3

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    lol
     
  3. daviday

    daviday Formula 3
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    Heres a break down of the token point system courtesy f1fanatic.

    Here are how many tokens it will cost teams to develop each part of their power unit, and when that part is due to be frozen:

    Tokens Item Frozen
    3 Upper/lower crankcase: All dimensions including cylinder bore position relative to legality volume, water core 2016
    3 Ancillaries drive: From ancillary to power source. Includes position of the ancillaries as far as drive is concerned 2016
    3 Combustion: All parts of parts defining combustion. Included: ports, piston crown, combustion chamber, valves geometry, timing, lift, injector nozzle, coils, spark plug. Excluded: valves position 2019
    2 Valve drive: Gear train down to crankshaft gear included. Position and geometry. Includes dampers 2016
    2 Valves axis position: Includes angle but excludes axial displacement 2018
    2 Valves drive: From valve to camshaft lobe. Position and geometry. Exhaust and inlet. Including valve return function inside the head 2018
    2 Crankshaft: Except crank throw, main bearing journal diameter, rod bearing journal diameter. Includes crankshaft bearings 2018
    2 Cylinder head: Except modifications linked to subsequent modifications 2019
    2 Con rods: Including small and big end bearings 2019
    2 Pistons: Including bearings and pin. Excluding crown 2019
    2 Injection system: PU mounted fuel system components: (e.g. high pressure fuel hose, fuel rail, fuel injectors, accumulators). Excluding injector nozzle 2019
    2 Pressure charging: From compressor inlet to compressor outlet 2019
    2 Pressure charging: From turbine inlet to turbine outlet 2019
    2 MGU-H: Complete. All internals including bearings, casing… 2019
    2 MGU-H: Position, transmission 2019
    2 MGU-K: Complete. All internals including bearings, casing… 2019
    2 MGU-K: Position, transmission 2019
    2 Energy store: Cells 2019
    2 Energy store: BMS 2019
    1 Valve drive – Camshafts: From camshaft lobe to gear train. Geometry except lift profile. Includes damping systems linked to camshaft. Exhaust and inlet 2016
    1 Covers: Covers closing the areas in contact with engine oil cam covers, cam-timing covers… 2016
    1 Oil pressure pumps: Including filter. Excluding internal if no impact on body 2018
    1 Oil scavenge systems: Any scavenging system 2018
    1 Oil recuperation: Oil/air separator, oil tank, catch tank 2019
    1 Engine water pumps: Include power unit mounted water pipes 2019
    1 Inlet system: Plenum and associated actuators. Excluding pressure charging, trumpets and throttle associated parts and actuators 2019
    1 Inlet system: Trumpets and associated parts and actuators 2019
    1 Inlet system: Throttles and associated parts and actuators 2019
    1 Pressure charging: External actuators linked to pressure charging 2019
    1 Ignition system: Ignition coils, driver box 2019
    1 Lubrication: All parts in which circulates oil under pressure (oil pump gears, channels, piping, jets) and not mentioned elsewhere in the table 2019
    1 Friction coatings 2019
    1 Sliding or rotating seals 2019
    1 MGU-H: Power electronics 2019
    1 MGU-K: Power electronics 2019
    1 ERS: Cooling/Lubrication systems (Including ES jackets, pipes, pumps, actuators) 2019
    1 Pressure charging: From engine exhaust flanges to turbine inlet n/a
    1 Electrical system: Engine mounted electrical components (e.g. wiring loom within legality volume, sensors, alternator). Excluding actuators, ignition coils and spark plugs n/a
    1 ERS: Wiring loom n/a
     
  4. nsxrebel

    nsxrebel Formula 3

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    Unless Ferrari and Renault have some real dogs in their power units and use up all their tokens to update and homologate by the first race in Australia, McHonda should be in good shape, provided they find and fixed the gremlins from their first run, which I think they have probably sorted by now.

    I highly doubt Mercedes will use up many, if any, of their tokens by Australia.

    In other news, will Honda continue to dominate MotoGP?! :D
     
  5. TifosiUSA

    TifosiUSA F1 Veteran

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    No, not perhaps. They are stupid.
     
  6. VIZSLA

    VIZSLA Four Time F1 World Champ
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    Jan 11, 2008
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    Love it.

    As much as I'd love to see Honda provide some competition this year we have to bear in mind that even the mighty Mercedes didn't get it right their first year.
     

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