430 vs 599

Hummmm... if/when this happens to me I will at least look into it further. Maybe it is just the electronics but I wonder how they all fit together. Likely not a job for the faint hearted.

 

If the price is no object and if the purchase price amounts to a weeks paycheck--perhaps he'd be far happier w a newer model? Unless your in love w the 599 looks, why piss around w used if your not regulated to the secondary market?

 

If you don't care about the money an F12 has the 599 covered IMO.

 

For sh$ts and giggles I came to see if the haters would come out and apparently you did. However I am not going to read whatever nonsense you posted re me and I'm obviously not interested in 599 vs 430, but I will tell you the following:

The decision has already been made. IMO ALL F cares are P.O.S...

The Aventador is a German brilliantly designed car (for me) and others who are knowledgeable. I don't care what people who have to finance a used 599 think about anything.

I drove the Aventador. It suits me perfectly. The Huracan does not- it's a cheap car (V10, bad shocks, etc)

In the process I have apparently convinced my son to buy one as well- he wants it in the mat black color and I am trying to decide between a light blue and gun metal color -both with the Elegante tan leather interior.

We may also buy them overseas... we spend a great deal of time in Europe so we'll see. I'll upload pics of them to compare to P.O.S. F12.

Again, see ya for good this time and don't bother to comment on what you don't know. I not going to read that either.

BTW, some L dealers are knocking $30-$50K off of MSRP for some new Aventadors (I was told by a business associate in NYC). I haven't confirmed. Wall Street loves them Lambos...

I never buy knew- toxic fumes.

FX

 

FX- In a hole with no credibility and still digging. Some people are just slow learners with big egos. Go find a Lambo forum, providing they will put up with you.

 

You've spent at least an hour in this thread so far, between reading and typing your lengthy posts with random, questionable information. That's assuming you read and type quickly, and without proofreading.

Let's break this down:

You were cross-shopping a 599 against an F430, so you were probably aiming for an early 599.
The average early 599 sells for $150k.
You stated a 599 isn't even a week's take at work. ~$150k.
You are semi retired.
The average semi-retired individual spends about 20 hours a week at work.

You just lost $7500. The same amount you were initially troubled over.
In fact, reading this post and thinking about it just cost you another grand.

But honestly I think you're just a kid. With a grand imagination. Your story has too many holes in it. Grow up.

 

UPDATE:

First of all the decision stands to purchase two 2013 Aventador coupes after some serious research and road testing. IF anyone buys a Ferrari after becoming well informed I can only feel sad for them- that's all I have to say.

To the hater who says I'm just a kid -you're an idiot to think someone so knowledgeable and articulate is "just a kid."

By the time I post on this forum my heavy lifting is done. I have to get up @ 2:30AM eastern time to catch the London open when my day begins. You have heard of computers trading these days I hope? DAX made all time high today 11000!!!

My friend showed me this post on your forum when I expressed dismay concerning the poor design and quality of the 599:

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/612-599/334298-575-599-a.html

IMO this says it all! Johnny Prezemullo is more knowledgeable than 99% of the people on this forum if you read carefully what he has to say. This pretty much sums it up though [from Johnny]:

"For those who find the HTGE package as a "better" solution:
Both the 599 and even more the HTGE package is overdamped and "hard" and only the best if the road and/or track surface is "flat" otherwise the car starts to jump where the electronic networking steps in to brake power and cuts speed.
The same jumping goes with eletronics "off". So in both "modi" and on a "bumby" surface the hard layout is worse. Therefore the same car but with "softer" dampering and spring rates is quicker that the "hardcore" damped car.
On a normal daily not track use you don/t have a "flat" road to eat the "soft", only very seldom.
Thats why is the softer 575 with Fiorano Handling in its latest configuration is "faster" than the often "air jumping" 599 if driven to their limits on normal streets.
So on a twisty german autobahn route with no long straights between the curves the 575 will not be eaten by 599 what a 599 driver found when we had a nice and friendly battle by chance on very twisty part of the german autobahn.
Besides: a well running and cared 575 is faster than the 599 in the range between 4.500 and 5.500 r/pm. The 575 is not a "slow" car.So out of my point of view the sheer speed of the 599 comes from the combination of a much higher power output of the engine, much faster shifting and finest brakes but not from a better basic suspension - damper - spring layout. "

CONCLUSION: Since this highly knowledgeable individual made the aforesaid statements as well as his other responses from an individual who has driven so many race tracks with all these cars, the bottom line is this:

My "lowly" pedestrian 4 dr sedan limited to "only" 155 mph is ONLY one tenth slower around the track than Taz's 575 GTC... How pathetic is that?

On the other hand the Aventador is near the top of the Top Gear list [with NO Ferraris anyone near it].

The Huracan, a NON CARBON FIBER car weighs far less than the Aventador, HAS A 4.89 rear axle ratio vs 2.87 {Aventador] and is only slightly faster. Since I will never track these cars and will be driving about 80 mph on European highways I want an infinitely safer car than both the Huracan or ANY P.O.S. Ferrari.

Lastly, you people who have no common sense and are lying about these F cars is the reason Ferrari doesn't fix anything assuming that they are capable- which I doubt. After all, their primary focus is Formula One and we see how that has worked for them in the past since 1996. I've watched with amusement people step on the gas in a 458 on the freeway and next thing the car is out of control... Aventador will not do that. I tried and tried and tried in STRADA.

So that makes my CLS55 AMG better than the 599 also. How you like them apples?

 

I would seriously like to know which medications you ingest.

I need to know which ones to avoid!

 

LOL

 

In the same hole and still digging. Credibility now in negative numbers. Knowledge even lower. Ego unable to let go. In need of professional help.

Nine car comparison test including the Aventador. Aventador placed 9th. Enjoy your 9th place finishers.

 

Huh what?

Oh look, a squirrel.

 

If they are so great, why do people stand in line and get bent over to buy the competition and they need to discount the Lambos to get them off the books?

Hmmmm. Someone never studied Economics 101.

 

Been promoting a cars & coffee here for a couple years now, vettes, American muscle, plenty of Italian exotics, porsche, but I have yet to see a proud cls driver come out.

 

Oh they were out there...when they were new...exactly a decade ago. Lol.

I liked my CLS back then, but today it's just any other older Mercedes that's worth $25k. A few years ago I got sick of Airmatic failures and got rid of it.

 

I have a CLS in the company fleet, and it's about $30k underwater, and I didn't even buy it new. Great car. But holy hell, the depreciation is stellar. And it is no substitute for ANY sports car. I'm not saying it doesn't handle well or accelerate, but it's not a Saturday C&C car. It's an executive commuter. Completely different application. I'd park my Cayenne TTS next to Ferrari's at a car show before a MB.

 

This guy is such a joke that I think if he posted that in the MBWorld CLS section, he'd be laughed at.

 

WoW - what kind of craziness is going on in this thread? I was expecting 430 and 599, and I'm seeing Lambos and Mercs???

-The Aventador is great for getting attention, but not ideal as a track car and very expensive.
-I too have heard the Huracan can out-perform the Aventador on the track. However, the current car seems to be setup for too much understeer. If your interested in it, I would wait for a more performance oriented version that will certainly be released at some point.

Getting back to the thread, I think both the 430 and 599 are outstanding Ferraris. It is just a matter of the mission. If your a track nut, go for the 430 with Carbon Brakes. For the open road, there's nothing like a Ferrari V12; so, the 599 for sure.