Ferrari LaFerrari vs Mclaren P1 vs Porsche 918

Grasping at bull**** again?

Not really, tyres are flexible. Lower pressure also give P1 larger contact patch.

Again, complete load of rubbish with made up figures. P1's CoG is lower because it sits on smaller wheels, uses lower pressure and lowers 50mm in race mode.

Erm, no. First of all read the bit about having the heaviest options:

Notice you don't even mention about the LaFerrari's weight. What's the matter, horse got your tongue?

Frozen brain more like.

Couldn't manage the fastest sector times, was slower from 3rd lap onwards largely because it is just slow, but with a cheat mode that works for one lap only.

Meanwhile on Anglesey Coastal P1 was a whole 1.2s faster with one lap on equal track tyres because it has faster corners. All that with the wrong pressure in the tyres. Can you imagine what the P1 would do to the fat German pig on a proper GP track.... Ooooo.... that would just be a mess..... Bits of wurstbude everywhere.

Actually it's the Caparo T1 if we go down that route.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFcanpNarEg

Right angle bend just before line, negligible. Passenger in car, not negligible. Customer driving (not Stig), not negligible.

Trofeo R - 235 1476lb, 305 1874lb

F+R Tyre Max Load = 3350lb = 1521kg

Vehicle Mass with driver and 5% gas = 1380 + 5 + 75 = 1460kg

Track = 1.658m

F+R Mass + Downforce (kg)/2 = (1460/2) + 600/2 = 730kg + 300 = 1030kg

1521 - 1030 = 491kg

Max Lateral Mass Transfer = 491kg = Mass * (Hcog*2)/Track

Hcog = (491/1460)*(1.658/2) = 0.278m

Now since P1 Hcog is 4 inches lower than 918's, this is perfectly fine.

The real BS is Porsche kidding everyone that there car is fast with 2 minute stints.

Oh look, what's this, 918 Hot Lap mode running out of steam. Bwahahahahahaha! If you can't even win on a slow track that favours AWD after 3 laps, what track can you win on? Imagine how bad this crap would be on a GP track. Bwahahahahahaha! I give you a car that runs low on horsepower after 2 minutes. Basically Porsche have never demonstrated the car in anything but the 2 minute mode, which is what they should really call it.

Oh yes the ring? Lieb was 4s slower than a customer in a P1 between gantry and bridge alone, even though they lifted off for traffic. Yes, I can really see a factory driver having great problem beating the 2 minute wonder there. Bwahahahaha! 1-2s faster from exit of Schwalbenschwanz to bridge, on PZCS, with customer. P1 is so much faster it doesn't even require a professional driver in some sectors LOL.

Does the 918 come up with a "horsepower fail" warning when 2-minute mode runs dry? Or perhaps a "quick, pull in and claim victory while you still can" warning? "EMERGENCY: Lap pace dropping off in 3.... 2.... 1.... FAIl!"

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wa08mXthOaQ[/ame]

Keep trying to deflect attention from this graph below. "The ugly hidden horsepower fall-off of the 918."
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Said Jeremy "master of truth" Clarkson. You don't think that maybe he was setting it up for the Castelloli event already hinted at in the magazine - "times to be revealed on Top Gear TV".

 

Right on cue. You are so predictable.


Anyway, below is a side view of the P1, in Race mode no less. Have a good look at it first.

The 918 has a Cg lower than the centreline of the wheel hubs, which is less 15" off the ground. The P1's has a smaller wheel, so the centre line is just around 14" off the ground.

See that big section of body work in front of the rear wheel and below the cetreline? That's where the big and heavy 918 batteries sits. And the fuel tank sits on top of that.

In the P1, that's where the gas tank sits, and the battery sits on top, like ABOVE the wheel centreline. Actually, if you look at the other 2 pics, one is a cutaway of the P1, the other is a rolling 12C chassis but it's the same one for the P1, the battery is almost ABOVE the whole wheel, at least 20" off the ground.

How in the world can a P1 have a lower Cg than the 918 in that configuration? Have a look at the 918 cutaway on the last pic, you can see just about everything is below the top of the tires, that's how you can get a Cg below the centreline of the wheel.

The P1 PHYSICALLY cannot have a Cg that's lower than the 918.

Actually on second thought there is one way, if you park a P1 one storey below my 918, you will have a lower Cg than my car.
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wtf is going on in this thread

 

It appears that a large number of Porsche enthusiasts have nothing better to do with their time than come to a Ferrari discussion forum to argue that their hypercar is better than the one made by McLaren.

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yes, 918 CoG is approx 14in. Laferrar 14.8inch. so both have very low centers...

 

Some dude took it upon himself to come here and defend the P1's honor after it got whupped at Laguna Seca. Next you'll see LMFAO audit tax returns. Other forums have already been saturated by him apparently.

 

fixed this for you

 

This man knows whats up!

 

Gosh - no one saw that coming.

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Don't be surprised if they're both the same person.

We already know Mr. LMAO has a multiple personality disorder to begin with.

 

it's now almost disturbing, the need to convince the world, the 'explanations'.

 

Now what about hydraulic lines running along the base of the car?

Let's see.

1. P1 - 1 inch smaller wheels.

2. P1 - Lower tyre pressure.

3. P1 - Engine is smaller and has 70mm stroke vs 81mm stroke on 918 engine, so all the cams and valvetrain, and pulleys sit 10mm lower on the P1 engine.

4. P1 exhausts are not top exit.

5. P1 lowers by 50mm in race mode.

6. P1 is >10% lighter anyway, so weight transfer is less of an issue.

7. Because of lower weight both aero braking and downforce and more effective and it has more of those anyway. Whilst 918 stops to rest well, you don't come to rest when racing unless you do something wrong, and P1 slows from triple digit speeds to 60mph more effectively.

Lastly, your 918 cannot remain faster than a P1, even on Laguna Seca, unless you race in a thunderstorm and talk to Dr. Emmett Brown and get him to rig a lightning conductor to the top of the 918 to recharge the battery. Unfortunately that will raise CoG and the 918's Cup 2s aren't great in the wet either. Maybe if you hadn't put your battery so close to the engine it would overheat. As many other of the brand do too.

Hahahaha..... 2 minute pace expiring..... pull in next to water source in 3...2...1.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63MrAgR2Ggc[/ame]
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I don't know which to deride the most, a hypercar that only performs for 2 minutes below 165mph, or the system of magazine testing that make it appear good.

 

how 'bout a car that was marketed as the next coming of Christ but ended up being slower than a hypercar "that only performs for 2 minutes below 165 mph"? Now that's something to deride

 

Not really. The P1 is a proper track car that delivers sustained performance and is faster than the 918 on 90% of tracks and 99% of them after 2 minutes. On GP tracks it would pull a 918's pants down by several second, not pathetic tenths.

The P1 is for people who do track days, the 918 is for people who talk bull**** in pubs. Go find videos of a 918 being tracked by owners, other than that 4 hypercar film shoot, see how many you find, then do the same for P1s. Fake car is fake. That's why it needs Luque aka Ibonu67 to shill for it.

 

exactly...haahahaa.... that's what LMFAO is saying with every post, completely fails to see it from that angle. you can't have it both ways in the pathetic fanboy forum pollenating attempt to elevate P1 over a 'fat pig'. that the 'end all be all' track day specialist of a hypercar can't deal with an 'overweight and underpowered' competitor that lasts 2 minutes at a time? me thinks there is something very very strange about this individual. 100 posts, hot and heavy. it's been very amusing. and sad too.

 

haahaahaaa. you're soooo pathetic now. trolling has turned downright dismal. you've run out of steam...or battery power in this case. haaahahaaaa... oh man... good times... P1 a proper track car...haaaahaaaa. a REAL $20k track car is all you need son. P1 a real track car (not a road car mind you) ??? can you hear and see EVERYONE on the intuhnet? they are LTFAO!!! oh son... over and out. next:

 

Oh my God this thread went full retard

 

That must because of the P1's turbo log. Someone needs a good torque filling

 

Since when did a track day last one lap? Even a fat pig can be fast for one lap with its battery charge burst, but the telemetry tells the story of what will happen over the course of a track day, horsepower falls and it ends up slower.

Magazine testing has traditionally been on cars that run in a sustainable mode, hence why the current system of testing has become disingenuous. Next thing you know manufacturers will be fitting nitrous as standard to skew figures.

Surely that's a 918 trick - running out of battery - just after posting a magazine time usually.

What would be the point in promising a car that could deliver on track if it was never to be driven on track, or could only deliver for one lap, and only below 165mph..... squire? Too many asterisks there really. Laugh all you like but McLarens hold together unlike team 'Fix It Again Tony', so using them on track isn't a ridiculous prospect for owners, as it is for certain marques.

918 runs out of battery after 2 minutes, Enzo's suspension broke half way round a Nordschleife hot lap, Porsches in general self-immolating, LaFerrari can't be tested..... This is the real farce, there's failing to deliver and then there's just failing period.

 

The 918 battery seems to hold up for 20km at the Nurburgring. P1? Don't know, Mclaren, for reasons known only to themselves, won't tell...

 

But, but, but.... that 918 had a single piece roof that improves it's aero by 40%, you can't go by that

 

hahaha
Lmfao, friendly advice's:

1. Why don't you find a decent job?
2. Find a girl, try to make sex at least once a week;
3. If nothing of the above is possible for you, why not start drinking...?

Life is good, bro Shut off this PC for some hours from time to time...

 

Dude, so now hydraulic lines with fluids weights more than a densely packed battery? God, seriously? Really? I didn't know in McLaren they used liquid Uranium as hydraulic fluids.

Are you even looking at the pictures? I had purposely find a P1 in Race mode picture for you to visualized. Even in Race mode, the P1's battery pack is still 20" off the ground.