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328 Alignment Question

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  1. millsj

    millsj Karting

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    While I am doing my first round of repairs on the 328, I am going to have a new set of tires mounted. I have looked at the wear on the current set and it appears that the alignment is off. I've read a number of alignment threads, but I just want to confirm I understand all the adjustments. I have the equipment to align the car in the car in the garage. Can you guys either confirm or correct me.

    Front:
    I will adjust the toe by adjusting the red circled area. Each side will have to be adjusted independently.
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    It appears I will adjust the camber by changing the shims in the circled area.
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    I have read mention of being able to adjust the caster in the front, but I have not figured out what to adjust. I could use some help here.

    In the rear, it appears that you adjust the two sets of shims to change both camber and toe.
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    Do I need to loosen any suspension components other than the nuts that hold the shims in place?

    The shims do look easier to deal with than chasing my tail with eccentric bolts.

    Thanks again for the assistance!
     
  2. nerofer

    nerofer F1 World Champ

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    Soory to give you a stupid answer, Joe...
    But keep in mind that there are some difference in the suspensions of the "serie 1" cars (concave wheels, before chassis 76626) and those of the "serie 2" (convex wheels, after chassis 76626)

    Rgds
     
  3. Steve Magnusson

    Steve Magnusson Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Front caster is adjusted by using/moving shims 10 at the lower front ball joint (the total amount of shims 10 stays the same, but by reallocating which side of the ball joint they are on changes the caster) --but it's rarely off, nor does it impact tire tread wear like camber and toe.
     
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  4. millsj

    millsj Karting

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    I've got 61177, so I assume that is a series 1 car.

    Thanks for the feedback. I saw the #10 shims and thought those would adjust caster, but I wasn't 100% sure.

    The steering is very heavy when moving slowly (garage speed), so I am curious if there is excessive caster. That being said, it sounds like the heavy steering is normal at that speed. I know the car doesn't have power steering, but I feel like need to hit the gym so I can steer the car moving it forward and backwards getting it aligned to pull it into the garage.

    The toe and or camber are definitely the cause of the tire wear and not the caster.
     
  5. Rifledriver

    Rifledriver Three Time F1 World Champ

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    Good thing too because it is really no fun to adjust.
     
  6. Rifledriver

    Rifledriver Three Time F1 World Champ

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    A good alignment can be done with very rudimentary equipment. The key is really good consistent methodology in the measurements and understanding the process. On a car like the 328 with IRS and adjustable toe in the rear it is very important attention be paid to the rear toe. The toe needs to be equal on both wheels, not just a total figure. Different equipment or measuring methods achieve it in different ways so just be mindful of that. If it is not correct the numbers can look right but the car can actually be going down the road at some degree of sideways.

    There are a number of people here well versed on the subject so if you run into a problem there should be plenty of help.
     
  7. millsj

    millsj Karting

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    Rifledriver-Thanks for the advice. Do I need to loosen any suspension components other than the nuts holding the shims in place.

    I have a track Miata that I have aligned many times, so I am familiar with making sure that you have equal measurements on both sides. I've got a set of hub stands and a number of tape measures. I measure total toe using the toe bars and measure each side from the toe bar to a consistent point on the frame. I have a digital camber gauge for camber. It has worked well so far.

    Here is a picture of what I am using. This picture is with the Miata, but I do have the 5 lug adapter plate that will fit the 328.

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  8. furmano

    furmano Three Time F1 World Champ

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    Joe,

    I can't comment on the steps of adjusting the suspension but I can say steering feel at garage/parking lot speed (<5mph) is rather heavy. Compared to a power steering car, very heavy. Lots of work. That's normal.

    -F
     
  9. Rifledriver

    Rifledriver Three Time F1 World Champ

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    Good. Looks like you have a handle on it.

    For the shims at the inner control arm pick ups you really only need to loosen those. A little prying might be required to free the shims.

    If you need to adj caster....well cross that bridge when you come to it. If steering return works equally in both directions and it does not have an alignment pull caster is usually OK and in my experience they are not terribly sensitive to small differences side to side. Ck for it being near spec and keep your fingers crossed.
     
  10. millsj

    millsj Karting

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    Thanks. The alignment is the last on my list of 1st round projects, so it might be a couple of weeks. I'll keep you posted.
     
  11. Basal Skull

    Basal Skull Formula Junior

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    Hopefully the bolt pattern on your husbstands fit the ferrari's. Mine unfortunately (that I use on the 993 turbo), despite the multiple holes, none fit the 5x108...
     
  12. millsj

    millsj Karting

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    I haven't actually attached them to the car, but I think they will fit. The plate is suppose to fit 5x100-5x130 bolt patterns. I think I have held the plates up the wheels and it looked promising. We will see.
     
  13. greg328

    greg328 F1 Rookie

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    My 87 328's steering wheel is a bit off center, but the car is perfectly aligned. I guess I have two options: A) remove the steering wheel and rotate it a couple spindles on the steering shaft (is this even possible?), or B) center the steering wheel, lock it down and adjust each tie rod equally to bring the front wheels back to the previous setting.

    Can anybody offer their thoughts on this? What would you do? If I elect to adjust the tie rods, they need to be totally removed from the spindle to be turned, right?
    Thanks in advance,
    Greg


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  14. maurice70

    maurice70 F1 Rookie

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    Greg on My 87' 328 the steering doesn't have a splined shaft so you can't adjust the steering wheel centre in that manor.

    I think adjustment on the tie rod is the only way other than disconnecting the steering shaft off the steering rack and adjusting it that way but that's a bigger pain to do.
     
  15. Basal Skull

    Basal Skull Formula Junior

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    AFAIK you shouldn't need to remove the tie rod ends. There should be jam nuts on the steering rack side you can loosen (along with the nuts on the rod ends) and twist the rods. You just need to make the adjustment on both sides or have strings set up to make sure your toe settings are not changed. For me this would be much easier than trying to adjust the steering wheel on the shaft (which I don't think you can do) or fiddle with the universal joints under the dash.
     
  16. greg328

    greg328 F1 Rookie

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    Thanks for the responses, guys. I'll check out the tie rod adjustment points.

    Greg
     

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