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  1. f360nh

    f360nh Karting

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    What's the consensus, have both AC (summer) and heat (winter) and which settings for temperature and humidity?

    From my research it looks like AC is crucial for high humidity areas but heat is not as crucial for really cold areas; assuming car is stored/etc.

    Thoughts?
     
  2. Countachqv

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    i asked the same question last year. A/C yes , heat not really unless you work in the garage. winters bring dry air anyhow
     
  3. Ferris Bueller

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    #3 Ferris Bueller, Apr 2, 2015
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    My garage is insulated and finished in drywall.
    My garage doors are Clopay with 2" polyurethane.
    My HVAC system is a York split system located in the garage attic. It is natural gas heat/elec. cooling with 2" insulated duct work. This past winter I had no problem maintaining 68 - 72 degrees.
    Air conditioning is also essential for humidity control so things like aluminum and other metals do not oxidate
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  4. f360nh

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    Is there an issue not heating the garage during the winter (if not working in it) -- thinking of the cold ground and any moisture that may be trapped between the floor and the bottom of the car?
     
  5. Ferris Bueller

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    John,
    It doesnt matter what season you are in. It depends on the state you live in.
    I see you live in New Hampshire. The humidity there on average during the summer is 78% and 80% in the summer. The outdoor temperature is irrelevant. Its a common misconception that its not as humid in the winter as summer only because the dry bulb is much lower but infact the same amount of humidity,.
    If you want to keep the metals on your cars from oxidizing then a climate controlled enviroment year round would be needed. You dont have to keep the temp set as high as I do but even set at 60 degrees will dry the air in the garage.
     
  6. abstamaria

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    1 understand that the ideal humidity level is 55% RH. Most piano and fine instrument manufacturers l believe recommend that level. Corrosion in general stops at 60%. Too low a humidity level however can cause problems with leather and wood, which may shrink or crack. That could be an issue with wood- framed cars like my 1948 MG TC.

    l live in the tropics so only humidity is a concern. l have portable dehumidifiers on most of the year.
     
  7. BJJ

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    Heating in colder times, in particular spring and fall is important. It levels out temperatur changes. The relevant parameter is the dew point. If the car has cooled down during the night and more or less saturated warmer air comes into the garage (and consequently the car), then condensation takes at all places of the car, where the surfaces are colder than the air standing or flowing over this surface (including internal surfaces!).

    Heating provides for a) saturated air from the outside being warmed up a bit at least, thus lowing the relative humidity and preventing condensation b) the temperatur variation inside the garage will be less than outside, thus acting against any condensation tendency with rising temperature.

    Why spring and fall in particular? In winter the temperatures are very low. Air of -10°C and 100% humidity has 2 gramms water in 1 cubic meter. Air of 12°C at 100% humidity has 12 gramms in 1 cubic meter, i.e. the 6-fold absolute amount. So if condensation takes place, the amount of condensed water at -10°C is 1/6 only of the condensation at 12°C. Further, at -10°C the air very rarely has a humidity of 100% (rather around 60% and less), while at 12°C in spring and fall the humidity often can be very near to 100%.
     
  8. PhilNotHill

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    I have both. Heat in the floors as part of the house radiant floor heating. The garage has its own thermostat.

    The garage is cooled by the central ac system. No garage thermostat so it runs when the house runs. We don't need ac in the garage as it is so dry here.

    Best.
     
  9. southnc

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    If your on the east coast, would a dehumidifier be enough?
     
  10. vrsurgeon

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    God I wish! Cool in summer, warm in winter.. sounds wonderful.
     
  11. Mitch Alsup

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    Is this a good time to interject:::

    Its a car!

    No probably not..........
     
  12. LBBP

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    Having both heat and a/c makes the enjoyment of one's cars a 24/7 proposition year round.
     
  13. f360nh

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    Thanks guys. Here's the issue I'm having -- my vacation home has a garage where I store two of my cars. In the summer there is a dehumidifier that keeps things at around 50% relative humidity.

    In the winter the garage is unheated, so for example I just recently had a look at the temp monitor and it shows 37F and 64% humidity. I guess I should try to set up a heating system that would bring the 64% down to an even 50% regardless of the temperature outside? I do not do any work in the garage during the winter.

    While on this topic - I have a monitor heating system for the house - external kerosene tank and indoor monitor heaters, so no central gas/propane/oil heat. Routing a heater to the garage is not that convenient, but may be an option. Has anybody installed the ductless heating systems in low temperature climates? I know they work well for AC in the summer but don't have any info on the winter. Or what other (ideally cost-effective) alternatives are there?
     
  14. f360nh

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    Here's the other thing -- just had a check on the temp monitoring inside the building where the temperature control is running -- turns out that having the heat set to 50F results in a 35% RH with the heating unit running its own thermostat (basically keeping the unit at 50F). So in the case of running the heat to a base level of 50F the RH decreases too much.

    How do you guys realize both the right heat and humidity? In my case I'd have to run a humidifier along with the heat to get back to the 50% RH.
     
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    I live in a nice dry area. Colder than crap in the winter....hotter than hell in the summer.
    My garage is heated, but average year round temp is 42 degrees in the winter, and somewhere in the mid 60's in summer. I have never seen any kind of visible rot or deterioration of any hoses belts etc.
     
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  18. SierraBravo

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    +1 (no corrosion problems either)
     
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  20. SierraBravo

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    Now that's a garage! Love it!!
     
  21. cheesey

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    be aware that garage areas in many locations cannot use central forced air heat / cooling systems from the house into garage areas.... check your local ordinances... the concern is about CO contamination from running cars can get redistributed throughout the house...
     
  22. southnc

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    Very good point. When I converted an adjacent bedroom to my garage back to garage space area, they had to remove the house vent from the original room, since there can be no ventilation "ties" between the garage and the rest of the house, to prevent CO from getting into the ventilation system. I was told that garages must be on their own entirely separate HVAC. No exceptions.
     

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