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  1. P300V8

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  2. Peter K.

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    I agree, that is why I said we should discuss. Is it even worthy of a discussion? Really, to see if it can be done.
     
  3. jollygood

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    I think it can be done. But it's a huge task.
    Perhaps money need to be involved?
    And you need the right people with enough time to do it.
    Maybe several people, those being responsible for each Lamborghini model.

    Look at the existing Lambo registry, it halted for a reason...
    Not sure how the Ferrari registry is maintained? Is there one for Ferrari/Maserati etc?
     
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    #21079 raymondQV, Apr 17, 2015
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    I can tell only from the swiss registry, it takes really a lot of time, nobody says thanks and sometimes you even don't make friends when asking for Vins and history.
    My Registry contains cars imported to switzerland up to year 2000, from the officially 856 in know 670 with VINs, but not all with Pictures nor history.
    It's hard to get Access to production list to be even able to identify a car, many Dealers do not wish that the history of a car is known.
    Especially on the Espada and Urraco I have many gaps, missing delivery lists and many cars destroyed or rusted or exported...

    A real valley of tears...
     
  5. joe sackey

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    For a PUBLIC Register, really, its not a discussion that's needed.

    Its a volunteer, with the time, resources, dedication and interest to make it happen.

    Anybody?

    Other than that, most detailed Registers like mine (or Marcel Massini's for example) will remain proprietary items build for the purpose of facilitating a business.
     
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    #21081 Lambocars666, Apr 18, 2015
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    A good (and knowledgeable) friend told me he saw "an absolutely similar Black LP400 with LP400S body kit + wing (NOT Wolf-Dallara kit like was 1120022!), and with these Red accents on the engine lid, at least 15 years ago, in Germany".

    Could it be that car, hanging on a wall inside an artsy mansion in the USA since 2006?
    In 2006, the owner said he owned it for about a decade... That could be matching with the date it was spotted in Germany (if it happen to be the same car)...

    Does anybody here know about this LP400, said to be from 1974?
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    is that color known as 'rosso siviglia'?
     
  8. joe sackey

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    #21084 Lambocars666, Apr 18, 2015
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    I recall those photos posted earlier in this thread of an Orange-Black LP400 featuring this ACHILLI MOTORS tag on the windscreen...

    According to the factory's archives, there were only two LP400 finished in Arancio-Nero: #1120020 & 1120186

    #1120186 went to Japan, imported by Sea Side Motors during June 1976.
    The body panel behind the quarter glass is painted differently compared with the car here.

    Therefore, could it be #1120020 ?

    According to the ILR:
    "#1120020 was imported during September 1974 into the USA by Joe Nastasi, to have been supplied to Tom Sushler.
    However, DOT/EPA certification was denied and the car was exported (where? back to the factory?).
    It is also said #1120020 was re-imported in 1982... but certification failed again...?!
    Current whereabouts unknown."

    From the factory's archives, #1120020 is marked as exported on February 8th, 1975 to Al Sabat, Kuwait.

    Could this Orange LP400 be #1120020, after being re-exported the first time? Back to Italy?

    The B&W photo from the ILR shows a side mirror on the driver's door. When was it shot? 1974? 1982?

    Or is it another LP400...?
    Could it be, in fact, Rosso Corsa...?

    I really don't know what to think.
    What is your opinion?

    Here's the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axCDJXW-Jik
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  10. On behalf of the Jalpa crowd, thank you for Jalpa.ch.
     
  11. raymondQV

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    Welcome, of course the Jalpa-Registry is also updated regularly :)
     
  12. joe sackey

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    1974 I believe.
     
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    WOW!

    Most certainly #1120096: Luci del Bosco - Senape, originally sold to Germany.

    Thank you for sharing!
     
  16. Lambocars666

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    So happy to see this wonderful Wolf Countach back on track!! :)

    Too bad it wasn't restored 100% to original guise (stripes, front blinkers, wheel center caps...)
     
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    #21093 joe sackey, Apr 20, 2015
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    Nice effort though, and I agree, its good to see it restored.

    To be faithful to production guise, it would have to have the aftermarket front-wheel spacers (which it gained in Germany) removed, the correct door mirrors mounted (originals were not Vitaloni Sebrings), and the B+B speedo application returned to Stewart Warner gauges as it left the factory.

    Its interesting to see the AP Lockheed brakes which Walter told me about in 2003 (prior to that conversation I had with him, this had never been mentioned anywhere), and even more interesting to see that this car has 1120202's engine.
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    #21094 Lambocars666, Apr 20, 2015
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    Oh, by "wasn't restored 100% to original guise", I meant its "full Wolf" guise, fully tuned as when Walter Wolf owned it! :D
    For example, the sripe along the car's sides was originally made of two thin stripes: the golden one was twice as big as the red one that was below it.
    It has been restored the other way around (except for the rear, at least)!

    Anyway, it's a great long-awaited restoration.

    About the engine number #1120202, it finally confirms what was written 35 years ago in the Marchet & Coltrin book about "a 5L engine moving from one car to another".
    It wasn't perfectly accurate in the book back then...
    From very reliable sources, the first real Wolf Special's (#1120148) had a 4L engine that was highly tuned by Dallara, just like for Albert Silvera's #1120056. Power was said to be of 447bhp!
    Wolf wasn't fully satisfied with the red car (already his second Countach!) and got, one year later, another even more special Countach: #1120202... with that incredible (and somewhat unique) 5L engine.
    It is said that when Wolf owned #1120202, the engine remained the factory's property (allowing him to use it, as a private prototype). He would eventually own it once transfered to #1121002.
    I now wonder what is the engine number inside of #1120202... Maybe n°1121002? ;) And by the way, where is #1120202 now?

    Also, I never understood why this black & white photo from Geneva Motor Show '78 you share here does not picture the car with its original tiny 'W' Walter Wolf stickers on the front lights...?!
    See the (original?) color photo below and another b&w one from Serge Bellu's book.
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  19. joe sackey

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    Regarding the engine, Dallara tells me 1120202 was a 4.8 liter, not 5 liter.

    Regarding the stickers, perhaps the pic I posted was taken a few minutes before the sticker guy came by :)
     
  20. raymondQV

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    This 4,8l engine is currently in 1121002 see the pictures Wold Countach
     
  21. Lambocars666

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    Of course!
    Well, some people (including myself) usually say, inaccurately, 4L / 5L in order to differenciate these engine.
    It is indeed a 4879cc engine... and different to the 4754cc of the Countach 5000S.


    Yes, Raymond!
    I meant, I wonder where is the blue car #1120202 now and what could be the engine number in it. :)
     
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  23. Lambocars666

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    Great!!

    Yes, Rame Colorado - Senape, #1121186
     
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    Well, let's also say good work Marcel, because I think it was me who made these conclusions about the Monaco GP Countach VIN's, as anybody can read on the Facebook Countach Lovers group. Let's just say that Raymond seemed to have forgotten that.....
     

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