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Strange new flutterung sound from f 355 when letting off the throttle?!

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  1. ready321now

    ready321now Formula Junior

    Jan 5, 2013
    484
    New Jersey
    okay so today I took the car out and the weather was much warmer today and when I'm letting off the throttle and my foot is still on the gas a tiny bit I'm hearing a completely new fluttering sound from the bypass valve. Normally I hear the sound that reminds me of thunder and that is normal and I've heard that a million times. All of the sudden today I hear a fluttering sound that sounds exactly like when you roll your R's when speaking Spanish. What the hell is that? does anyone know what I'm talking about? Again I'm not talking about the Thunder sound when you have your foot on the gas a tiny bit on deceleration I'm talking about a regular fluttering sound that sounds almost like a Harley motorcycle when it lets off the gas. everything else with the car seems completely normal....except for this new sound. Any feedback? I am worried that there is something wrong
     
  2. ready321now

    ready321now Formula Junior

    Jan 5, 2013
    484
    New Jersey
    I let the car cool a tad for about 20 minutes and then lubed the external hinge on the exhaust bypass valve with some wd-40 just because it was easy to do and it was accessible. When I drove the car all of the symptoms went away for about 10 minutes and then it seems like the fluttering sound suddenly came back progressively, (the more I drove it the worse it got). this only happens when I have my foot on the gas a little bit. If I remove my foot from the gas pedal the fluttering sound goes away instantly....and it only happens on deceleration especially in the higher rpms.

    ?????? certainly someone has experienced this before?
     
  3. ready321now

    ready321now Formula Junior

    Jan 5, 2013
    484
    New Jersey
    65 views and no response....hmmm. Wonder if i have an anomalous issue here? I keep refreshing the page hoping for feedback. Anyone?
     
  4. andrew911

    andrew911 F1 Rookie
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    Sep 8, 2003
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    How many miles on your car? Not to scare you, but it could be a cat starting to break apart? Are you still running the OEM cats? Or maybe one of the headers starting to go?

    I had strange sounds but also a check engine light in my old 360, so I knew something was up...- in the 360 there is a pre-cat (mini cat close to the header- terrible design but only there to appease the tree huggers to reduce emissions for the first couple of minutes after a cold start before the main cats are fully warmed up)..the pre-cat let loose on one side, and went downstream to the main cat on that side of the car and took that out as well.

    With exhaust in these cars it can be lots of things...headers, cats, bypass valve. I hate to say it, but if you notice it and it's bothering you there's nothing you can do other than take it in to have the mechanic check it out. Often with Ferraris if you catch things soon enough you can save a lot of money (vs. my father's method with his cars in the 70's and 80's- where there was a strange sound the radio just went up louder :) ) I think his '76 buick Lesabre (105hp V6!) made strange noises straight from the factory, but I digress...
     
  5. cuneo

    cuneo Formula 3
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    Nov 20, 2006
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    I've been reading this section for 8+ years and never heard of the fluttering you're experiencing... Sorry can't be of any help. Maybe your bypass valve hinge is on the fritz or more likely just needs to be properly lubed with something other than WD.
     
  6. GTSNJ

    GTSNJ Formula Junior

    Jan 18, 2015
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    In my opinion I think it is a common issue and isn't a problem, many cars do this when the mixture is a tad rich. If your car is a 5.2 you could check functionality of 4 02 sensors, otherwise 2 on 2.7, maf, throttle body balance, fuel system integrity (pressure, injector flow etc) and verify cam timing if the issue persists. The engine should NOT run roughly. If so check for a mis fire.

    I have driven a half dozen 355s they all seem to exhibit some burble from time to time under certain super light throttle descending from high rpm, burble etc whatever you want to call it. More pronounced if there is an aftermarket exhaust setup. These aren't mercedes motors that sound perfectly smooth at all times in my opinion, especially a 2.7 at idle.

    Also, you can test and tie the bypass valve open temporarily to eliminate it as a cause .
     
  7. GTSNJ

    GTSNJ Formula Junior

    Jan 18, 2015
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    Perhaps you should see if there is an exhaust leak. That would screw all your mixture up and make it sound like a dump truck. lol.
     
  8. ready321now

    ready321now Formula Junior

    Jan 5, 2013
    484
    New Jersey
    Cats are oem...20 k miles...super warm weather today. Will reset the ecu tomorrow to see if the mixture might reset possibly....tho i would think this would adjust itself on the fly. Headers are Nouvalari and have 3000 miles on them. It seems that increased heat make the issue happen....as it went away while the car cooled...then came back after hitting 7000 rpms then stayed. Thanks for the feedback so far
     
  9. andrew911

    andrew911 F1 Rookie
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    Before you re-set anything you may want any codes or info to be stored in there for diagnosis if it doesn't clear up? At least it was that way in my 360, although the 360 may have a more sophisticated CEL/parameter memory (my mechanic would hook up the "SD" Ferrari computer to the car). I'm sorry to keep bringing up the 360- I had it for 6 years so I'm just more familiar with that model, only had my 355 for a few months, and of that only a few weeks of driving time. Are you north NJ? (just curious if I may have met you at the Chatham C&C events..)
     
  10. eyboro

    eyboro Formula Junior
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    I had a similar sound issue and it was caused by a left cat which come loose after a broken exhaust clamp,
     
  11. ready321now

    ready321now Formula Junior

    Jan 5, 2013
    484
    New Jersey
    going to check that out first thing tomorrow thanks for the feedback
     
  12. ready321now

    ready321now Formula Junior

    Jan 5, 2013
    484
    New Jersey
    No CEL...but will hook up my obd ii reader just to check before anything
    Thanks -Brian
     
  13. ready321now

    ready321now Formula Junior

    Jan 5, 2013
    484
    New Jersey
    So you had a weird fluttering sound on decel? This would make a lot of sense given the symptoms. Especially given the come and go with heat. Perhaps it swells with heat and creates a leak upon expansion .
     
  14. Badabing!

    Badabing! Formula Junior

    Mar 30, 2014
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    Monitor your fuel trims real time while driving.

    If your obd tool can't do this, get one that does.

    $50 - $100 in conjunction with an iphone/android device.
     
  15. JRLew

    JRLew Karting

    Jul 12, 2012
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    Indianapolis
    Don't know what the noise it, but for future reference, WD-40 is not a lubricant. Unless you believe your valve to have rust, you should use a proper lubricant.
     
  16. ready321now

    ready321now Formula Junior

    Jan 5, 2013
    484
    New Jersey
    I took the car out again yesterday and the weather was a bit cooler but I did not have a same issue again. Very strange. I was checking out the exhaust and looking at all the clamps and everything seemed OK except for a loose heat shield on the y pipe that connects to the bypass valve. It is been 270 miles since my last P1448 bypass valve code but I also have and p 0432and 0433 (if i remember correctly ) code I think. I believe those two are related to the catalytic converters and being stuck in traffic.

    as far as fuel trims I'm not exactly sure how to interpret those type of reading since I don't even know what a fuel trim is lol. Thank you for the feedback
     
  17. Steve355F1

    Steve355F1 F1 World Champ
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    This was one of the symptoms of the only time my 355 has let me down.

    Every time I came off the accelerator there would be a strange fluttering sound from behind, which ultimately became like a "stuck" throttle.
    It was almost like the car was on cruise control.
    ie. I'd lift off the gas but the car would carry on at the same power setting.
    Yes, I did crap myself going into a couple of tight corners when it first happened...

    My mechanic found that one side of the throttle attachments had come off(?).
    Once it was re-attached and everything adjusted it was good as new.

    Terrible explanation I know but hopefully the more mechanically minded will know what I mean. :)
     
  18. drbob101

    drbob101 F1 Rookie
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    Brian is coming over tomorrow to change his gear oil. We will take it out for a drive and see if I can hear what he hears. The throttle bell crank is problematic and maybe that is what he is experiencing.
     
  19. ready321now

    ready321now Formula Junior

    Jan 5, 2013
    484
    New Jersey
    Thanks Bob. You know...i havent heard the noise in 3 drives, approx 30 miles each. Myself and a buddy were under the car tapping and pulling on pipes. I have a feeling that the sound MIGHT be a hole in my Y-PIPE that connects directly to the bypass valve Due to a loose heat shield rubbing a hole maybe? Oddly, the sound went away. Weird. I have a feeling i mught hear it again on a hot day when things expand and contract more. Just a theory.
     
  20. ready321now

    ready321now Formula Junior

    Jan 5, 2013
    484
    New Jersey
    Ok, I'm pretty sure it was my bypass valve stuck open temporarily, various times. Haven't heard it in months.
     

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