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Here's a pic of me pulling the engine out of my 612 yesterday!

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  1. trygve11

    trygve11 Formula Junior
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    Update:

    Car has been put back together. Connectors have not yet been replaced as cannot yet source new pins. But connectors have been somewhat cleaned and reassembled.

    No change in running. Strange stuff happening. Vince says passenger bank ran when driver's bank injectors were disconnected. Then after reconnecting more than two injectors from driver's bank, passenger bank starts behaving strangely. Noid tester on passenger bank is not a "bright" as on driver's bank, etc.

    I think there is a bad ground or power signal. Ground loops occurring, etc. Need to get to the bottom of this. Also, alternator saw water so not sure if they had that in the mix (i.e. connected or not).

    This is crazy. But now I am pretty darn certain it is a darn electrical issue. Again, swapping ECUs makes no difference. I really think it is a ground or power compromise. Need to look carefully at the back side of the connectors at the passenger ECU (as water didn't get through due to seals but would still see the back-side of the connections). Losing voltage somewhere under higher load. Also need to verify connections at battery, etc.

    This thread is nearing 100K views now! My wife has suggested that I have provided too much income to the Ferrari Chat forum (banner ads, etc.) and need to start my own personal blog!

    - Jason
     
  2. donv

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    If you haven't seen it, you should look at Tom Yang's website--- Tom Yang's Ferrari Restoration | The vintage ferrari specialist.

    He bought a 330 America about ten years ago and documented his complete rebuild of it. He's now become a professional vintage Ferrari mechanic, but you can still see his archives of the work he did on his own car.
     
  3. trygve11

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    Car is Fixed! Yes!!! And I am not kidding!

    But I am not going to jump right to the punchline of what was wrong as it is too interesting and I am going to make you all work for it... :)

    So, I will give you some hints as to what the final issue was with the car. Remember, I rebuilt the whole engine after it was hydrolocked. After that, it ran great on the driver's side and poorly on the passenger side.

    So here are some hints before I spill the beans...

    (1) When it did run on the passenger side, the catalyst would get REALLY hot (lean??).
    (2) The car was salvaged. It ran when it when into water. I then got the car and considered that no one had seen it before me (turns out erroneously).
    (3) Remember, I rebuilt the entire engine but didn't bother with one portion as there was no reason why it should have needed any attention (unless touched by someone between hydrolock event and when I got it).
    (4) The problem was NOT electrical in nature.

    Any guesses??!!

    P.S. I should have my first drive tomorrow assuming the tranny programs up fine.
     
  4. PSk

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    Exhaust blocked
    Pete
     
  5. VIZSLA

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    Dying to find out.

    What a relief this must be.
    Congrats.
     
  6. Peloton25

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    This guy pulling pranks again?

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    :D

    Glad you have the issues sorted - hopefully now you can (soon) begin enjoying your Ferrari ownership experience.

    >8^)
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  7. trygve11

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    I love Eddie Murphy...

    But no, not a plugged cat or banana in exhaust...

    I will hold out for more guesses before the big reveal.
     
  8. Smart4400

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    Wild guess... O2 sensor on the pass bank? Hmmm that would have coded....

    Anyhow.... Even more impressive is that it's sorted out!!!!!

    CONGRATS!
     
  9. Cribbj

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    I would've bet money on MAF's or ignition coils, but you've already said it wasn't electrical.

    Jammed or nonfunctioning TB perhaps?
     
  10. NickKerigan

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    Fantastic news!
    WELL DONE
     
  11. JLL

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    Wow...Congrats!

    If its not electrical- must be air or fuel...

    Vince says passenger bank ran when driver's bank injectors were disconnected. Then after reconnecting more than two injectors from driver's bank, passenger bank starts behaving strangely.

    Injectors/mix up of some sort?
     
  12. trygve11

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    That was red herring...

    Additional hint. It was air.

    Another hint. What might someone have done to quickly check for whether water entered the engine. What's real easy as you approach the top of the motor?!
     
  13. Schestc2

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    cats corroded, blocked or full of something not supposed to be there. Or someting with the airfilter / air intake..

    My guess from Vienna.
    Stefan
     
  14. tomc

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    I have no idea what the answer is, but I know I am glad that this beast is up and running!

    Congrats. Your persistence is an inspiration to many. I hope the rest of the year is heavy on the driving and enjoying, light on the tinkering and wrenching….T
     
  15. JLL

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    Shove a Texas sized rag in the airbox/inlet? :)
     
  16. Peloton25

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    Did you find a rag or some other abnormal blockage in the intake manifold?

    >8^)
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  17. trygve11

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    Thanks tomc.

    JLL, you are getting "warm".
     
  18. Flint Ironstag

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    Now come on dude, what was it???
     
  19. Entropy

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    beat me to it, obstructed air inlet?
     
  20. trygve11

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    #745 trygve11, Apr 28, 2015
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    OK, here's the deal. Apparently I mechanic (or the buyer that bought it from salvage) pulled the side of the plenum to look inside for whether or note water was ingested. Well, when they did, they apparently ripped the gasket and then through the ripped piece away and just bolted back on the part. Thus leaving a massive air leak.

    Neither me or Vince would have ever expected this to have been removed. As such, we never really looked or suspected it. I replaced every other gasket on the car but again would have never suspected the side plenum gaskets would have somehow been affected (except for the unanticipated intervention of someone else along the way).

    Real bummer. And when you look at the pictures you'll say "wow, that looks obvious", but it really wasn't.

    This breach of gasket all in ended up costing me over $5K and three months of time.

    Additional lesson learned on a salvage car: Take everything apart. Even the stuff that shouldn't be bad. Don't expect logic to prevail, too many variables and moving parts. Much check and replace EVERYTHING!

    Enjoy the pics...
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  21. Nospinzone

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    Wow, how incredibly shoddy for someone to do that. You are right though, lesson learned.

    So glad it is at least solved and you are [almost] ready to ride!
     
  22. dadswrld

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    I will hold off on the congrats until I see you in the car and on the road! I believe around here the saying goes, "pics or it didn't happen"!

    Regardless though, it sounds like you've been able to get past a real road block, my wife would have probably had me sell the car before I get to a conclusion, selling it would be my conclusion!!
    I look forward to seeing your next steps to completion. This has been one of the best threads I've read to date.

    I appreciate your willingness to share yourself with all of us! Thank you sir! Best of luck for the upcoming summer drive!
     
  23. Entropy

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    This is bigger news than when people found out "who shot JR?" when I was a kid. (Almost) the ending to an epic saga...

    Hope this is "it".

    At this point, you'll be driving the most closely inspected 612 in history. Hope it runs flawlessly and pays you back many times over with fun miles.

    FWIW, a lot of people would probably never ever want a "story" car (i.e. hydrolocked, rebuilt engine, endless diagnostics). they would have called in the lemon law. For you, hopefully this make the car even more desirable.

    Keep us posted
     
  24. Julia

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    Wow, so glad you finally found the issue!
     
  25. anthony47

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    My questions is how you discovered this?Thanks
     

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