458 starting in Auto Mode

No issue bro , that's the way it is. Relax and enjoy.

 

It will default upon startup in auto mode. Just press it to cancel it out.

 

Mine doesn't. It defaults to what it was last in when turned off.

If in manual when switched off then it's in 'Auto Easy Exit' when next starting. One pull of a shift paddle and it's in manual.

If in Auto when stopped then it will be in auto when next started, requiring a press of the Auto button on the tunnel to select manual.

 

Permanent manual? I always drove my California in manual after pressing the Auto button, I'm sure if I forgot to and shifted without pressing the button, Auto would still be displayed and the gearbox would change gears (as an awkward surprise) soon afterwards if I didn't change gears myself. I could be wrong as now you've made me doubt myself If the 458 works as you say it does, that'd be convenient although I did like pressing the button as part of my pre take-off checklist.

 

Yes. Permanent manual. However, over revving will cause it to change up and it will change down to 1 when stopped. But it's still in manual.

Additionally, keeping the left paddle pulled will cause it to change down sequentially until released.


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The 458 software logic does the following

Upon startup, the car is in "Auto Easy Exit" mode (where they came up with that term, who knows). Essentially, the car is in AUTO mode. The first time you pull a paddle to shift up/down, it reverts to Manual.

You can push the AUTO button to exit "Auto Easy Exit".

If you push AUTO, the gearbox will stay in AUTO mode, you can override it with a paddle (assuming the speed/revs are within limits), and it will stay in AUTO mode.

The display shows AUTO for both AUTO mode and Auto Easy Exit, that might be confusing.

AUTO mode also has a different shift map depending on Mannettino setting

 

Mine always starts in auto mode. Friend with an Italia likes it cus he leaves it in auto until the engine gets completely warm. He lives in Denver. I like to shift to manual right out of the garage. We live on a hill and it's all downhill out of my driveway. Putting the car in first gear keeps me from using the brakes. Auto upshifts and then you are using the brakes all the time.

Mine always starts in auto even after a few minutes. And i drive in manual Race mode 99% of the time.

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I think they do this for valets or someone needing to move the car in an emergency. If you don't know how to use the gearbox, then at least it's in gear and ready to go like any other auto.

I never minded shifting it to Manual from Auto. Kinda got my head together...

 

Hmmm, never drive in auto. Just turned the car off when it was still in manual. Every time that I started the Itaia it was in auto. I just pressed the auto button and it went to manual. Same with Speciale.

 

If you see a triangle in the gear display when starting, that means it's in 'Auto Easy Exit', not Auto.

It shouldn't be in auto after stopping in manual. It should be in 'Auto Easy Exit', hence no need to press the button.
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Sure...auto easy exit.

 

Plus i believe it gives a better mileage rating which reduces gas guzzler tax, etc.

 

Have had the 458 for a little while now. Auto mode makes me take it out of the garage at least twice as much. THANK YOU FERRARI! To anybody who hates on auto mode, I greatly envy you and the traffic situation in your area. If I am going to hit traffic in the 360 it just sits around until Sunday. Auto mode in the 458 makes getting out of the city every day totally doable, and that really just translates to race mode every day instead of clunking around, meantally adding up the cost of a new transmission in the 360. I love you 458. (nothing against you 360, you are still a wonderful beast for Sunday).

 

Starts in auto mode. Have to shift to manual as we are at the top of our hill and auto doesn't provide enough braking. Don't like to ride the brakes. First gear in manual does the trick.

I always switch to manual even when starting in a flat space. Can't stand auto mode. But then we only have three stoplights in town and they are easily avoided by side streets.

 

"Auto easy exit" means it's easy to exit auto mode by simply pulling a paddle. But I can find no way to start in manual mode. It always starts out in one of the auto modes.

 

Me neither.

 

All 458's should start in auto mode because it is set up that way...

 

Does driving in auto have any effect on clutch wear?

 

I was told that on older cars, such as my 355 F1, one should drive in manual mode as often as possible, as it would reduce clutch wear.

With modern double-clutch transmissions, as the Getrag DCT found on the 458 and 488, I doubt manual or auto have that much actual impact on clutch life.

Kind regards,

Nuno.

 

Thank you, and exactly why I asked: I remember being told not to drive a 430 in auto. I thought there might be something different about DCT but was unsure. The 458 is really easy to drive in auto when in traffic.

 

Have heard that with DCT there is more wear leaving it in gear at longer stop lights rather than shifting to neutral. Have no idea if this is true. Also, after five years I still haven't pushed any button on the roof panel. Couldn't tell you what's there.

 

Hi Ryan, you're welcome. Single clutch and double clutch gearboxes operate very differently, and are sensitive to different things/behaviours on the part of the driver. Another being launch control: ends up stressing a single clutch gearbox more than a double clutch. The independent gentleman who used to service my 355 F1 told me that in auto mode, clutch slip is increased and therefore wear increases as well.

Solid State, can't vouch for the validity of that claim, other than I've also heard it to be true and I apply the same principle when I'm behind the wheel. I was told that if stopped for extended periods of time, if the clutch is engaged in 1st, car is ready and raring to go, you're stopping everything that wants to move by applying brake force and that "pressure" strains transmission parts, whereas if you sit in neutral, transmission is resting with minimal to no load, thus less strain on components.

Two things I avoid doing on a single or double clutch transmission car: back up slowly and for an extended period of time, namely on a hill, going back and forth several times. Another one: when stuck in bumper to bumper traffic, always wait for the next car to move in neutral, and allowing to put a decent distance between you and the next car, so you can predict as much as you can traffic movements. By doing so, you'll minimize the number of stops and gos. In a short distance like just a few couple hundred yards, the guy in front of you may have stopped and moved again 3 or 4 times as opposed to you moving once. Multiply this by years and years, and that's one of the reasons why in time one given car is in much better mechanical shape than another car of the similar model, year and mileage.

Back on topic: I think the 458 starting on auto easy exit as default is a nice feature. Well, maybe "nice" isn't the exact word for it, but I do understand the principle. Most manufacturers make the car's default start in a setting that is most mechanically friendly possible, given everything is not at the right operating temperature and needs to warm up, to prevent excessive wear. Recently, up to 2017, I owned an Alfa Romeo with the nice "DNA" button: D for Sport (increased pedal sensitivity and torque, nannies barely turned on), N for Normal and A for All Weather (reduced pedal sensitivity and torque, all nannies on max alert). Same principle: car would start in N or A as a default, but never in D, to prevent high loads on the turbo before it's properly lubricated.

Kind regards,

Nuno.

 

Sales rep told me just keep it in 1st but keep your foot on the brake at a light, like a regular auto - when you're in 1st but not moving the DCT switches actions trying to guess whether it should be moving or not, and that causes wear. I'll ask the techs.

 

Tech confirmed to just keep the foot on the brake in 1st at a light.