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I prefer adjustable suspension F40's

Discussion in '288GTO/F40/F50/Enzo/LaFerrari/F80' started by TimTifosa, May 19, 2015.

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  1. TimTifosa

    TimTifosa Karting

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    #1 TimTifosa, May 19, 2015
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    I have seen so many posts about fixed suspension (FS) F40's being preferred over adjustable suspension (AS) cars, that I had to post my contrary views about the usefulness of this option, and maintenance of this simple system. I hope that other owners of AS cars will support me here with their posts.

    It is true that many car brokers, and some service organizations have influenced buyers to prefer FS F40's, but this discrimination is undeserved. This discrimination occurs because these people do not know how to maintain this simple AS system.

    The AS system was only offered as an option in later cars from 1991 onwards, although a retrofit kit was offered also.

    The advantages of the AS system are that there are 3 ride heights - high (obstacle clearance), normal, and low (race track mode). In addition, the AS cars are self leveling, adjusting for fuel load, and passenger weight. The FS cars only have one ride height and are not self leveling.

    I have extensively driven both AS and FS cars, on road and track. In normal road driving I need the higher suspension setting for some gutters, driveways, big speed humps etc, even driving at an angle over obstacles. The F40 is not that low to the ground, but the front has a lot of overhang which can create the ground clearance problem. It is said that the F40 front spoiler is sacrificial, and is easily replaced, but I am still on to my original front spoiler with AS.

    The AS system is so simple. An electric pump, a hydraulic reservoir, 8 electro magnetic valves controlling hydraulic fluid going into or out of each suspension strut. This is all controlled by one ECU that sits near the brake and clutch master cylinders. Additionally there are 2 rheostats that relay front and rear suspension height information to the ECU. The ECU has a car speed input. There are 2 accumulators and some pipes. The whole system weighs maybe 5 kg.

    I believe the main problem that caused the bad reputation in the early days, is that if the car was not used for a long time, the system would depressurize, the ultra low position of the car would trigger an error message in the ECU, which was memorized, disabling the AS system and triggering an orange warning light on the dashboard. The Ferrari factory published a simple fix for this which TOTALLY FIXED the problem. A simple 2 wire switch fitted under the dash clears the memory. 15 minutes to fit.

    The system is very reliable, but other components can also go wrong. All the electro magnetic valves have rubber "O" rings, which go hard in a 25 year old car, and I replaced all of these (easily) so the system holds hydraulic pressure much longer. A friend had his AS ECU develop a fault. He took it to a place that repairs ECU's from mass produced cars, and had it fixed for $200.

    Some friends have commented when the car lifts slightly at traffic lights. To prevent the car from hunting up and down continually while driving, the ECU only self levels when the car speed is below 20 kph for 10 seconds. The high position automatically drops to normal when the speed is above 25 kph. The height automatically goes to low when the speed is above 100 kph

    That's really all there is. There isn't anything else.

    I hope that all those people who influence buyers to prefer the more numerous FS F40's, will
    start to tell people that there are owners who prefer or need AS F40's, and maintenance people spend a bit more understanding how straight forward fixing faults can be.

    I prefer my adjustable suspension F40.

    PS. If someone buys an AS F40, and decides that he doesn't like the AS (for whatever reason), it is a simple matter of changing the 4 shock absorbers for standard ones. The rest of the suspension is identical in both models.
     
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  2. Majorp

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    Would you be so kind as to tell us what the maximum clearance is at the front of the car on the 'high' mode and if you have it, the distance from the wheel centre line to the end of the nose? I have been advised that the factory system is not that useful for UK roads where we have many in-town speed humps and that one is better off spending money on one of the after-market lifting systems (KW, Roberuta) if this is a necessary feature.
     
  3. TimTifosa

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    The exact ride height numbers would have to be looked up in the F40 service manual.

    I believe that now that F40's are so collectable, any non factory non original modifications
    are detrimental to the value and desirability of the cars.

    Regarding ride height needed, it depends on where you drive. Many people can drive on normal roads, including ordinary speed humps, with a fixed suspension F40. I and some others need the extra height of adjustable suspension to navigate some gutters and driveways. If you need even higher suspension settings, you must have particularly difficult terrain to travel over.
     
  4. Mr. Francesco

    Mr. Francesco F1 Rookie

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    Nice write-up. Thanks for sharing.
     
  5. 275gtb6c

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    If you want to drive your F40 in Europe you need AS. Period.
    Perhaps this is different in the US but overhere speed bumps, aka dead police men, are all over.
    BTW never encountered any problems with it. Depressurised might be essential for a error free operation. Just press the SA button 3x after putting your car away for a longer time.

    Ciao
    Oscar
     
  6. Camlet1

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    You need AS in Europe period? Really? A slight overclaim me thinks. I live in the UK and happily have a non cat non adj F40. Never worried about clearance once.
     
  7. 275gtb6c

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    Yup, just did the TA (France) and last year the Targa Florio and the F40's that participated all had either AS or damaged front lips. Perhaps if you very careful angled try to take these with 0.5 km/h you might manage it....
    Come over the pont and we have a nice ride, the best you can do btw with these cars! I am curious how you get the F40 on a train or boat btw...

    Ciao
    Oscar
     
  8. Camlet1

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    I've travelled in France, Germany and Benelux. No issues with trains etc. But perhaps I'm more careful in my car. My 550 which has the FHP is much more sensitive to ride height. I have an F50 and it has AS as standard. I find it necessary as the front end is very low but IMO it's very much a necessary evil.
     
  9. TimTifosa

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    The F40 was designed for adjustable suspension from the beginning. But AS was not ready at the time the cars were first released. So all F40's have holes drilled in the frame to run the hydraulic pipes (well Eurospec - I don't know about the US spec version). That is why a retrofit kit was available.
     
  10. TimTifosa

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    Another argument for AS F40 is that that the adjustable suspension is rarer, and therefore if you follow the trend with other Ferrari cars, or other exotics, should be more desirable.
     
  11. cirugiadigestiva

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    if you like a perfect solution install a roberuta system, the result is perfect.
    for the value?, sure can be lower, but depending if you like your car to invest or to use, different idea.
    I use my car, and with the lift roberuta system, the result is perfect
     
  12. TimTifosa

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    So you had a fixed suspension F40, and felt that you needed lifting suspension?
    Is that correct? I am making the point that some people need lifting suspension
    to drive in their area.

    Then there is the question if you stay original or not. I think you are making the point that for you drive-ability is more important than resale considerations, which is OK also.
    Everyone to his own.
     
  13. joe sackey

    joe sackey Five Time F1 World Champ

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    Tim,

    Your posts remind me of the saying: "Methinks Thou Doth Protest Too Much".

    Their thrust is eerily similar to those of erstwhile (banned) poster allanb888.

    And perhaps there is a reason for that!

    The bottom line is that AS is not favored, its a pain-in-the rear, it doesn't work well, the car doesn't handle as well.

    Ive dug up some posts by F40 owners that are all very telling, and paint the real picture, by highlighting the reasons AS has developed the reputation it has. It seems some of today's proponents sang a different tune in the past, but now that the cars are more valuable, that tune has changed.

    Readers can draw their own conclusions:

    http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/136973359-post24.html

    http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/137268488-post32.html

    http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/136893783-post9.html

    http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/135114414-post1.html

    http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/135115820-post2.html

    http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/135115827-post3.html

    http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/135117600-post5.html

    http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/137556994-post1.html

    http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/141851799-post1.html
     
  14. 275gtb6c

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    Hi Joe,

    Not in defending anyone or melting in discussions. But I am very happy with my AS (I sourced one with this option) and drove 4000 km's with it (yes sorry, not wise to drive your F40 that much...) but did not have a single issue with the AS. Must say that my car is renovated at Baldini in Italy and probably has all the improvements and updates of the AS necessary for correct function.

    Great and no issues. And no idiot movements at speed pumps.

    That is it, my experience with AS.

    Ciao
    Oscar
     
  15. joe sackey

    joe sackey Five Time F1 World Champ

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    Clearly, the AS has its fans who find it useful, and that's understandable, but the overall perception & reality remains the same. Thanks for sharing in a balanced way.
     
  16. cirugiadigestiva

    cirugiadigestiva Formula Junior

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    in my country, spain, in the roads are speed bumps, to lower the cars speeds, and also to enter and exit to the public parkings, and I use diary the f40, for me the lifth system is important, and how my car had a original koni I decided to install the roberuta system
    the result?, PERFECT
     

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