488 GTB (458 replacement)

If you understand how a turbocharger works, you will understand my statement. I am disagreeing with the "zero lag" statement. Zero lag would make it a NA engine.

 

What do you expected to hear from guy who earn money from servicing Ferraris? You think he would told you: "Ferrari is a crap, buy Lambo"? Sorry but this is not objective assessment.

 

Blah blah blah.

Wait until you test drive the 488 then make an opinion that is actually based on some merit beside videos, photos and hearsay.

When we early adopters get our 488 spiders, I suspect many of you will want one.

I'll remember who.

Just saying.

 

+1
Looking the quattroruote vidéo, seems he's riding fast this car very easily.
Sound Is good for me,clearly a new benchmark.
No doubt at all.

 

talked in Marinello to someone who is pretty mutch involved and he said the 488 sits performance wise below the f12 berlinetta.. so pretty mutch the opposite of yours head mechanic. also if i got that right, 7th gear is an overdrive due to emission. does somebody seen the gear ratio yet, not sure if top speed is achieved in 6 gear.. ( my italien is ok but not on top)

 

You are basically right. But we should not forget that each engine has its advantages and disadvantages.

For example the 458 NA engine is very boring to drive under 4500 rpm's. At 2'000 rpm's you can push the trottle but there is more or less no reaction because missing of torque, although the "engine reaction time" (lag) is 0,2 seconds faster than the new turbo engine.

Therefore I prefer waiting 0,2 seconds for having the double of torque.

 

You make a good point about waiting for double the torque. But, the wait is far greater than 0.2 seconds. It is one second. Note how Ferrari defines zero lag as one second, and how Road & Track takes issue with that definition.

From an article in Road & Track (January, 2015). The link to the article is at the bottom of the post, and it is worth reading.

Even so, clever programming can't fix the problem that has afflicted turbochargers since the technology was invented: lag. Ferrari claims the California's new turbo engine has "zero turbo lag" and "instantaneous response," then defines response time as "less than one second." Really? In a car that can hit 60 mph in three seconds, one second is anything but instantaneous.Immediate, predictable response is a requirement in any driver's car. Naturally aspirated engines react without delay to throttle inputs, but a turbo engine is vastly more complicated. It has two torque curves—one when it's off-boost and one when the turbo is at full puff. The transition between the first curve and the second is what we call lag—and both how long it takes and how abruptly it occurs change continually.
Despite the claims of marketers everywhere, lag can't be eliminated. The holy grail for engineers of turbo engines—from the 1962 Oldsmobile Jetfire to today's boosted cars—has been to manage the lag so that it's unobtrusive in normal driving. Some engines do this better than others. But when we're talking about Ferraris, who cares about normal driving? When you're approaching the handling limit of a well-balanced car, you need precise control of engine output. You may need a quick jolt of torque to induce oversteer or to gradually increase power to keep the car at its limit in a corner. These adjustments need to happen the instant you request them and in direct correlation to pedal input.

A naturally aspirated engine's output is determined by the position of the pedal and the engine speed, period. Turbos change that into a complicated matrix with far too many variables for a driver to keep track of. At best, turbo lag is a handicap. At worst, it turns neutral, throttle-adjustable cars into insolent, uncontrollable, four-wheeled bastards.

New Cars and 2015, 2016 Car Reviews, Pictures, and News - Road & Track

 

That 0.2 seconds is the turbo lag. It will feel like 2 seconds when exiting a slow speed corner to a full throttle straight. But anyway, after few laps you will know how to handle it, just step on the pedal sooner, you will get used to manage the lag time. In another words, "your right foot is not connected to the engine".

 

According to Ferrari, throttle response time for the 458 is 0.7 seconds, throttle response for the 488 is 0.8 seconds.

 

LOL. New benchmark for what? You can't even tell anything about the car or the sound from these videos.

 

You call ugly turbo sound new benchmark?

 

News pollution rules, new benchmark.
Not comparing With na sound of course!

 

NO, Ferrari could stay NA like Lambo with Huracan but Ferrari go into turbo because they don't want Mclaren have faster lap times.

 

Plenty of NA cars having no issue with emissions.

 

Pretty sure the 675LT will have a faster lap time.

 

And you know this how?

 

Because that's the only metric by which McLaren can trump Ferrari.

 

so if Ferrari stay NA gap will be even bigger, but Ferrari with NA would be still better car

 

+1, Totally agree, as a current 2014 458 owner, I would love to think that my car will be better than the new one, but it won't. All the haters trying to feel better about their cars will certainly be lining up for the 488...I've got my spider order lined up too...

The mechanic may be paid by Ferrari but knows a lot more about the engines than anyone on this board. He also explained to me that the magneride tech was taken from the corvette and they improved it from 50 evaluations a second to the unthinkable 250/sec when industry said it couldn't be done. I don't pretend to understand the tech, but obviously Ferrari takes things to another level with every car they produce. Again, I have to take his word for it when he said they nailed it.....

 

The reason they go turbo is for the asian market. MAJOR tax cuts at 3.9 litre engine and lower. Emission is just BS

 

The thottle lag may be present but after looking at those shifts... That does look very fun.

 

Well, I'm pretty sure Magneride is developed by Delphi and while I'm not sure what the evaluations exactly mean, I'm pretty sure the current ones in the new Mustang and Corvette have sampling rates of thousands of times per second...

 

looks of new 675 is very competitive
http://www.inautonews.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/mclaren-675lt-spotted-geneva-street-2.jpg

 

Agreed.

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well in all respect but this 675 lt seems to be a rocked
0-200 in 7.9 sec
0-300 in 21.xxx sec
100 kg lighter than the aready light 650s and for sur aswell than the 488

ok it is way more expensive than the 488 and even the f12.
I think we have to stay objective. I love my F12 but the macs 650s and further more the 675lt
are strong competitors