458 Aperta just sold Villa Erba

what the ****... how? why? I can pick up a coupe for 180k Euro

 

What does the price of a standard run coupe have to do with a limited edition convertible?

 

Well, if you can't get an Aptera, just stick some aftermarket motorsport parts on a normal Spyder and you'll probably even surpass it in performance and sound.

 

This auction result for the aparta is also very good for 16m values... Good stuff.

 

Be interesting to see what they sell for here in the US.

 

Seeing these figures theres a good bet that there will be a rash of them for sale once they hit the US market in numbers.

 

530k is not enough for this car

 

How many 458SA's will have an MSRP much below $400K USD ? I'd think most very well optioned 458 SA's will MSRP for $400K and maybe more. I don't think $100K over list is outrageous as most limited series F cars garner a premium when they are first released. With 499 458SA's produced worldwide I'd think there would be more buyers than sellers.

 

530k euro outside of the U.S. Sounds unrealistic.

 

Aren't 16M under MSRP and have been for a while? Why will this be any different?

 

Speculation regarding actual numbers of 16M produced didn't help. 16 M also not as nice or as good from a performance point IMO...

 

Back then it was as good as the SA is right now.

 

And the 458SA won't be as nice or good as the 488SA...

 

Nonsense - in Thailand they go for around Euro 800k for an average spec. In Australia for a full spec around A$800k. In Singapore I would guess it would be about S$1.4m for a good spec. In the US and europe your tax structure is way different.

 

You're correct except for one thing - now more people have the purchasing power to buy these cars. There was an interesting article - I can't remember where which, basically said that if a buyer was willing to spend 1% of his net worth on a particular Picasso painting then at the time - say 20 years ago there were something like 7-8 people able to buy that painting. When that same painting came up at auction recently - if you look at the price paid (huge) then over 70 people today were capable of buying it within the 1% of their assets.

 

16M was 6 years ago not 20.

 

I'm talking net prices without taxes.

 

Understand that, but the point's still the same even in a 6 year period.

 

Understood but they are a factor in these markets for resale. Will be interesting to see if, say, in Australia, the prices stay high when cars come up for resale. If they do then maybe right hand spec cars will migrate there as there are few barriers to entry, as opposed to Asia, for second hand cars.

 

I don't think so. Ferrari Sold the same amount in the past 10/15 years.

Pin early 2000s, 360s used to go for 100k over msrp.

 

One distinguishing factor between a Picasso and this particular new Ferrari is the fact that the Picasso is a mature work. The market is established and Picassos painting have a reference value and hierarchy.

A modern Ferrari lacks this. Who knows if these limited production cars will appreciate or not. Or how these cars will compare with the value of say a Barchetta.

 

16m and SA are more of a Special edition.

 

No argument, my point was a different one. It's that today there is a larger group with the purchasing power to buy these limited assets. In the Picasso case the purchasing pool increased approximately 10 fold which, to me is staggering.