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  1. ursoenzo

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  2. ursoenzo

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  3. VIZSLA

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  4. P.Singhof

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  5. VIZSLA

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    You've outdone yourself.
    Yours is the first pic of the BMW CSL Homage I've seen that conveys the beauty of what seems to be a tough shape to capture in 2D.
     
  6. tritone

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    Outstanding!!
    Thank you for your images.
     
  7. John Vardanian

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    The yellow Pegaso must have been the star of the event.

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  8. Vince

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    absolutely, the Pegaso should won the Best of Show.
     
  9. P.Singhof

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    The Pegaso was certainly the show car but it did not win its class so it was not eligible for the Best of Show. The class was won by the Ferrari 250 GT Europa Vignale of the Belgian Princess (0359GT).
     
  10. 365GTC/4

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    WOW thank you for that automotive eye candy. Beautiful. The Pegaso is my overall pick with the interior of the Pierce Arrow amazing. Thanks for the wonderful photos.
     
  11. gt4me

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    Great photos.
     
  12. Vince

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    Yes, but do you know the criteria to choose each best of class ?
     
  13. P.Singhof

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    I think that depends on the class judges...Some look for originality, others for the quality of the restoration, I think you never know upfront...
    In this class was also the 212 Vignale (0267EU) that did not end on one of the two front places but won the restoration award, so it looks like restoration was not the main criteria for the class award here
     
  14. red27

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    Great photos! I absolutely adore the F12 restyling by Touring Superleggera - gorgeous.
     
  15. Andrew D.

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    Regular people only get into the Villa D'erba. Its about 150 yards down the road towards Como. You cant even get pass the gate at the Villa D'este. I was there last year and saw the cars at D,erba. This should be advertsed as a private event because it misleads people, anyway I had a great time at Lago de Garda and saw the cars on the Mille Miglia. In short if you are not an ultra sophisticate nose above the masses,dont go.
     
  16. VIZSLA

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    Do you know who did the restoration on the 212?
     
  17. P.Singhof

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    Paul Russell...
     
  18. Fennicus

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    Yes, he was there on Sunday all day. I did not know the car, so I had the pleasure of him telling me lots of interesting things aboit the car and showing me a lot of the material, old photos and restoration process, I congratulated on the very subtle metallic green top side, as I know from experience how difficult these paints are to replicate today.

    I was really surprised to see how many colours there were back in the early 50's to choose from, especially colours that only differed very little from one another. The green hues are very difficult for many people due to the fact that not all of us can see them the same way. Even if you are not colour blind, the sensitivity for green varies a lot.

    Cheers,

    Pekka T.
    Fin.
     
  19. PG1964

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    I saw many cars better restored then the year before, even if many attendees came from the Amelia Island concours with the same cars. A little bit of ingenousness in some cases: the plate MT1-14217 never existed in Italy and someone didn't understand yet the double flags alphabet by Pininfarina. Generally the paint colours were very nice, less the leathers, especially on the '30s/'40s cars. Here i saw the same mistakes of the past years: the anti-UV process didn't exist in those years...and the grain is still an obscure detail. My opinion is that the younger US restorers understood that the italian processing techniques were different from the american, but the older restorers not at all.
    Sorry, but i'm an automotive historian and these details are very important for me as like as the knowledge of the Turin manufacturers and coachbuilders which is my area of expertise.
    Last, but not least, the #0064M won a deserved cup.
     
  20. Vince

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    I think that is the problem. we don't know the criteria !
    and, the best of show should be the best of show, not the car of a friend or anything else.
     
  21. VIZSLA

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    Thanks.

    Somehow that's what I thought.
    My hometown hero.
     
  22. TTR

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    ... or the guidelines any given event or show organizer wishes their judges to focus in on...
    Just because an entry has the highest quality restoration, is the coolest, most extravagant or most popular on the field doesn't necessarily qualify it for Best of Show status.
     
  23. P.Singhof

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    But still you have very different judges at work, be it designers, journalists or enthusiasts like Nick Mason. I think they look at a car very different from each other no matter how they are briefed.
    And in mixed classes the judges can not know every car...This year there was a Farman on the field...With just about a hand full surviving examples it is very unlikely that one of the judges has a deeper knowledge on these cars and can say what is wrong and what is right just by looking at it a few minutes during judging. Might be easier in single marque classes where you actually have experts for this single marque.
    I know that it is a lot of prestige and also money involved but at the end of the day it should not make a difference whether you won a price or not, the pleasure should be representing your car in a fantastic ambience to a public that is happy to see it...
     
  24. VIZSLA

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    Perhaps but at these events small egos are rare.
     
  25. readplays

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    A friend restored a car for PB for an owner who had entered it fraudulently into an earlier year class in order that he might win a prize. My friend showed me the original literature and the proof that they hadn't made that model as early as he claimed.
    Car owner won his class, has won Best of Show at Pebble.

    I agree with both of you.
    Having the fortune to be able to show a car at this level is the prize. People who have to 'win at all costs' are insufferable and their punishment is they have to live with themselves.

    Dave
     

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