How far behind is McLaren ?

But but but....I've been told these great new engines were going to bring manufacturers back to the sport?

LOL

 

The FIA should give both Honda and Renault special dispensation of tokens and testing time
It is embarasing to the sport for having two engine manufacturers in this much trouble - IMO

 

Honda is gonna be scratching their heads for some time but Renault should have gotten their act together some time ago. Hope it doesn't tarnish these brands too much that they all end up quitting F1...again.

 

+1

Personally, I always said Honda were going to struggle in year one. Just not quite this much!

Renault is the one that surprises me - Seems they've really regressed this year - Not only are they slow, but they seem to blow up (or least "expire") way too much. They weren't at Merc level, but they were "there or thereabouts" last year after all.......

Cheers,
Ian

 

Cheers,
Ian
Sniff Petrol

 

So if Honda decide, as is a distinct possibility, that they just can't fix the inherent technical issues in their PU, are they allowed to junk it for 2016 and bring in a fresh design or are they forced to live with what they have?

 

There's pain at the top and bottom of the sport. The minnows can't cut it financially and Honda and Renault can't compete.
Worse comes to worst, nothing but MB and Ferrari and their franchisees.

 

I still find it so odd that Ron would pick Honda, given their horrible track record in the 90s and 2000s.

 

As a Mercedes customer they were not going to be champions anytime soon, so I think it was not a bad idea at all. And Honda is paying them for using their stuff instead of asking for money like Mercedes.

Ah, the Honda engine sucks... well, that's a small technicality that can be fixed later.

 

Omnicorse is reporting McLaren have again failed to pass the crash test for a new/short nose.

 

When he determined that he couldn't win being a customer of an engine supplier and needed to find an OEM, other than Honda who else did he have to choose from, if anyone?

 

No wonder TV audiences are falling When you only have two competitive teams its like every race is a forgone conclusion :-/

 

+1

 

It was the smart move and may still pay off. Macca was never going to beat MB using MB tech.

 

Honda is facing three problems simultaneously.

1). Lack of power
2). Lack of reliability
3). Poor fuel mileage.

Try to solve one and you hurt the other

Imagine 2 former world champs being in these turds running hard against Marrusia. You can't say they don't have good, experienced drivers or a quality organization.

It can't be a happy time in Woking.

 

Like its ever Rebbeca at sunnybrook Farms in Woking.

 

Apart from that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?

All the best,
Andrew.

 

Too soon.

 

I'm not sure it was necessarily 'smart'. More didn't have many other options IMO.

 

They could have stayed as an MB customer or switched to Renault or Ferrari (yeah right) . With Honda they had exclusive use of an engine from an experienced company with vast resources. A company that they had success with previously.
It was the smartest move available.
Smart doesn't always pay off though.

 

The most serious issue I see for both Honda & McLaren is that the don't really have an accurate way of knowing how many of their problems stem from the chassis and how much from the engine.
McLaren haven't had much success in recent years, so it's a pretty good bet they're not technically at the leading edge of the field. I understand the challenges Honda faced coming into this year, but in retrospect, it might have been better to have taken on a competent second team such as Lotus, Force India, or Sauber for a valid comparison.
For example, Red Bull's performance this season has been dreadful and they pointed the finger at Renault early on, but although the powerplant has been an issue it's also clear that the chassis hasn't been up to snuff, given the performance of Torro Rosso.
Unfortunately, with the current limits on in-season testing, I think they're going to have a very long year, and may actually end the season further adrift than they are now.

 

Limited to no testing means a static formula. All teams face this. Continuous improvement comes from cotinuous and dynamic running not static or wind tunnel. The cost involved is high for all teams and to be realistic not all can afford to test regularly.

 

And the Honda sounds like *****. What are they doing with the exhaust?

 

Sounds like Honda should get together with Pooh-Joe!

 

No different to any other season, except maybe the early 60's and early 70's.

Even when the Cosworth DFV came out, originally only Lotus got it ...
Pete