Merc considering letting others catch up ?

Did ferrari or red bull let the others catch up? Merc is just playing the false sincerity PR game nico must be advising them lol.

 

It wasn't up to Ferrari, every other team had the option to produce a completely new car and donk any time they wanted to.

If you recall at the start of 2003, Ferrari were clearly down on power. We produced an all new engine (race 3 or 4 I think) and the rest is history.

Merc have earned their win in Melb and been gifted the rest of the season.

 

I think there's a big difference between being fastest mostly because of an engine freeze vs fastest because you build a superior car. There was nothing in the rules during Red Bull/Ferrari domination that others couldn't catch up because of a design/engine freeze.

In fact...the things red bull was so good at (flexi wings, blown diffuser, very fancy mapping), those rules kept being closed but yet they still kept on winning. They opposed, sure...but others could have implemented the same thing.

 

Newey pulled a clever trick to circumvent the testing rules, BrawnGP before that did the same, Ferrari had that rat Mosley on side...and we all know how that ended up, hardly major super car designing..IMO that is.

 

It's quite simple Merc has built a great PU.

 

Well, the Red Bull was so good at blowing the diffuser at least partially because of some particularities of the Renault engine that couldn't be replicated by the others.

But anyway, the Red Bull had more tricks apart from the blown diffuser.

 

This is F1--everybody should be allowed continuous development in every area.

 

And it is equally simple that Ferrari, Renault and Honda are severely restricted by the token system and the lack of adequate testing. I can't recall any time in F1 history where there was essentially a ban on development. Yes, the token system, as revised, allows for some development of the PU but it is far from the unlimited development permitted in the past.

 

Newey's Red Bull cars where exactly that, major super car designing...it was a complete package that was perfected over the years.

Same goes for Ferrari, they did such a supreme job. The reaction when they came with the F2002 was that every designer was flabergasted. It was so aerodynamicly superior over the rest they didn't stand a chance. BMW had a much better engine and only stood half a chance at pure power circuits. 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001 and 2003 did not come easy. That's what kept everyone from leaving. There was a huge fight with Mclaren.

Mercedes are in a class of one, pretty much. For sure last year, and on almost all tracks as well this year.

Not to sure on the first bit. It was a lot to do with clever mapping, anyone could have replicated that...Red Bull where just on it way earlier, and by the time the rest figured out what RB where doing they where 4 months too late. RB designed their car around the package, the rest could only implement it therefore compromising the rest of their package.

Right on the 2nd part, but that's still just designing. Mercedes has such a huge powerfigure on hand that they can afford to not be as perfect in other areas (which they are, to their credit). I'm not blaming them for having build a better car, all the power to them..but what I have a huge issue with is that basically, soon from now the engine development goes on lock and no matter what other teams do, they will not be able to pass the Mercedes unless they make a mistake. that's not racing. If next year is another year dominated by Mercedes and others can't develop their engines I'm out, I'm afraid. And I'm not sure what I'll do on my Sunday's then...What do normal people do?

 

testing.testing.testing.

Without being able to test it's nearly a lock in once you're ahead in the development game. Ferrari had the run because they pounded out testing laps & Michael was the consumate work horse with very accurate development feedback

Once the testing ban came in it was get it right up front, or suffer. Now, with testing and development banned its virtually impossible to claw back to the very front...yes I know Ferrari made a step forward, but catch Mercedes they did not.

 

Correct Kiwi Nick.
Yes Mercedes earned their win in Melb, the rest of the season was gifted/legislated to them

Both Newey and Ferrari faced the reality that every race any team could add to or change their cars. Merc is protected by legislation preventing other teams from catching up.

Really? So you're saying Ferrari won all those years because of Mosley and not their brilliant cars ROFL

 

Exactly my point.

 

Exactly...... Anyone who thought merc wouldn't win at least this and last years championship as of race two last year must have been nuts. And it looks like next year may be even worse

 

Well it wasn't me that coined the phrase ..

FerrarInternationalAssistance..

It makes me laugh, just because it doesn't fit folks agenda now, that Merc are wiping the floor with the rest, aww am not watching anymore my team aint winning, am not watching anymore am spittin my dummy out...
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...bloody jokers, watching Bernies circus when it suits ..and don't even bother getting me started on that clown Mosley, I suggest you do some research on the history of F1...

 

Yeh well your in good company on here if your looking for nut jobs..

 

One thing I don't have to research is how scarred you are from all those years of Ferrari's domination

 

lol

 

Yes I have a scar from ear to ear, and it has nothing to do with the car I drive, it's a red one.

 

Giggling like a girl as usual....

 

This is why Mr. Newey took a back seat this season. What is the point of wasting your talent away with token bit inputs? F1 really has to address this now. It has always been the thing that kept us excited not knowing which team might catch up from mid-season onward.

 

I guess what may smart even more is justifying how he lives with the fact that for a couple seasons or more, Massa and hamburger were tied in battle, and neither could best the other........ Yet according to the fanboys, Massa is rubbish and hambones a god..... hilarious

 

Funny how hard you defend Merc now, simply because Hamilton drives for them. Ferrari didnt need the FIA's help when they wiped the floor with the field in the 2000s. Teams back then had the opportunity to develop mid season UNLIKE NOW...and Ferrari still dominated.

The whole "Ferrari International Assistance" thing is a myth concocted by butthurt Englishmen. Guess that happens when you get owned for so many years. The merc situation this year is totally different.