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Best Laser Jammers 2015 / Radar detectors you installed in Ferrari

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  1. GordonF355

    GordonF355 Formula 3

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    I have read the older posts regarding this but the laser jamming technology continues to change from time to time.
    What are your current systems you have installed in your ferrari? I personally use a Valentine One with Laser Shifters from Escort with great results in my Mercedes SUV but am looking for the best setup for my 360 Modena. Cops run alot of laser around my area and in the areas I travel.
    My car came with an older K40 system installed but research indicates that this system is not that highly regarded and their laser defense technology is outdated.

    I have heard alot about the Antilaser Priority jammer working well with the newest guns.

    Any input is greatly appreciated!
     
  2. jmaz

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    Based on my understanding of the technology, I can't see how a "laser jammer" affordable by the public could work reliably. A laser range-finder transmits a much narrower beam (maybe only 10 to 30cm or so in diameter) than that emitted from a radar gun. Therefore, the "jammer" would have to first detect the narrow-beam laser pulse wherever it hit your vehicle, and then be able to send out a laser beam that would intersect the optics of the range-finder nearly continuously while one or both vehicles are moving. Maybe a net of sensors combined with a high pulse-rate laser equipped with a sweeping mirror might be of some use, but that's not practical.
     
  3. GordonF355

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    Thanks for your reply! I am not sure myself but I do know that my 7 year old Escort Laser Shifter system has kept me out of tickets for the past 5 years and 150,000 miles driven! I am just looking for the latest technology / best system for my 360.
     
  4. Jet Lag

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    I use a Cobra radar/ laser detector (sorry I don't have model # handy), that works by itself, or with an application on my Android phone. It covers several bands and lasers as well. The phone application continually updates where speed traps are and lets you know when you are approaching a photo enforced zone.

    I don't really need one as much as I did when I first bought my 308 20+ years ago; but I rather like it.
     
  5. Mitch Alsup

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    Laser Jammers work by emitting a continuous beam of rather bright but invisible IR light of the frequency the laser speed reading system uses. This illumination makes it impossible to see the very small reflecting signal from the laser and the optical system cannot lock on to read the Doppler effect. In effect, with the car broadcasting several Watts of IR over the frequency used by the laser, the detector cannot see the microWatts being reflected.
     
  6. mwr4440

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    That is eactly how these guys running jammers "commit suicide" here in Europe and get busted for many thousands of €'s.

    So not worth it.



    Your best way out of a speeding ticket ..... is the gas peddle.
     
  7. GordonF355

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    MWR4440 - by the way Laser Jammers are perfectly legal in the US. The only thing that is illegal are radar jammers and radar detectors in certain states.
     
  8. mikemal7

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    try WAZE as an app? I believe McLaren tested in FL with use, efficacy so good cops want to sue the company. In one of the recent major car mags mentioned on the mag cover but can't rememebr which one....
     
  9. GordonF355

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    Yes I have used Waze ever since it came out but I will not stick a phone to my 360's windshield! And if the app is running on iPhone I will not be able to hear i either with all the engine noise!
    Waze is great though for long trips etc!
     
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    It was Car & Driver - maybe June issue? I can't remember offhand and I'm at the lake.
     
  11. ducsc1k

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    WAZE, get the app for sure!!
     
  12. GordonF355

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    Yes I agree Waze is awesome! How is everyone "mounting" their phones? Dash vent mount? Windshield mount?
     
  13. ///Mike

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    The steel Ram windshield mounts are awesome. I hear the plastic ones are not as good. I use one to keep my iPhone secure in my track car and have never had it come loose on the track. However, it will fall off if it's left mounted on the windshield for weeks on end, so occasionally "refresh" the suction just to be safe. Got mine from Amazon.
     
  14. taz355

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    Al priority i have heard works very well .If you reserch them all i think you will agree.
     
  15. jmaz

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    This makes sense. Thanks for the explanation. I've experienced problems getting good range data with lasers when there's been a lot of ambient, scattered IR light, so I can see how this approach could potentially work.
     
  16. mwr4440

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    Gordon,

    I know.

    "Born in the USA ........... :D"
     
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    I kinda thought that above comment was partly wrong.
     
  19. f355spider

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    The KENU Airframe works great for mounting a smart phone to a vent....but on the 360/430, the vents are too "floppy" and loose for it to work and support the phone properly. I am using a suction cup mounted stalk to my CF center console in my 430 Scuderia for now, until I come up with a better solution.

    Waze works great on Interstates, but less effective in rural and suburban areas due to fewer users adding real time data. It is a great addition to a radar/lazer detector/jammer, but cannot replace them.
     
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    Thanks.

    California is out-
    CVC 28150.

    (a) No vehicle shall be equipped with any device that is designed for, or is capable of, jamming, scrambling, neutralizing, disabling, or otherwise interfering with radar, laser, or any other electronic device used by a law enforcement agency to measure the speed of moving objects.

    (b) No person shall use, buy, possess, manufacture, sell, or otherwise distribute any device that is designed for jamming, scrambling, neutralizing, disabling, or otherwise interfering with radar, laser, or any other electronic device used by a law enforcement agency to measure the speed of moving objects.
     
  22. Countachqv

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    the cops in bed with the lawyers now!!?? the world is really upside down..

    EDIT: in fact radar detector are the perfect candidate for internet of things. What one need is a pool of detector that log back to a cental system when a spot is uncovered AND CONFIRMED (WEED OUT FALSE ALARM). then the coordinate are pushed down to any units in a 5 mile radius. When a unit no longer detect the spot, it resets it is the cloud.
    A system like this would be undetectable and of great service at little cost.
    the key in this is to avoid logging false alarms so the radar detection part has to be top notch. I dont like a phone app. You want a secure private network that connects directly to the radar via wifi and has GPS.
    I am sure this is being worked on and that is what the cops, or rahter the bean counters of the local counties, dont like.
     
  23. chrisbinsb

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    yes, but they are certainly used here
     
  24. KKSBA

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    I'm sure. Question is, if the cop sees a Ferrari zip by and his laser gun just shows ---- perhaps he can chase the driver down and impound the car based on his reasonable suspicion to find the scrambling device if it is not readily visible.
     
  25. chrisbinsb

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    The Escort Live service does this - run the app on your phone and Ka alerts are automatically uploaded. These are pushed to others running the app and it alerts you to the radar and ho long ago it was detected.

    I use it often but Waze is better simply due to the number of users. Escort charges a subscription fees which also keeps user numbers down. They would do much better to make it free and push its use as much as possible. For while, it was also pulling police spotted alerts down from was servers but that stopped.
     

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