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  1. nerofer

    nerofer F1 World Champ

    Mar 26, 2011
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    I don't assume that you don't know France, or anything. I am just saying that politics did not have anything to do with the failure of Prost Grand Prix. The main culprit of this is Alain Prost himself. The story of politics was his convenient excuse, which is a poor one, and the dates do not match. I respect Alain as a driver, but he was an awful team manager, that's all: he alienated almost every company that worked with him against him.

    (and, btw, William: Mitterrand is written with two "t"s, two "r"s...not that I mind much, but...Oh, and I must confess that my orthograph of "Ghosn" is not always right)

    Rgds
     
  2. william

    william Two Time F1 World Champ

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    It's possible that Prost wasn't a good manager, but you have to see his failure in the context of the time. I think Prost realised very early that he had been set up, and duped by people he had trusted to back him up. Under Guy Ligier the team would have gone to the wall the same way, but it was given a new lease of life until it fell on Prost's lap.
     
  3. David Lind

    David Lind Formula 3

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    Renault is in the business of selling cars many of which are purchased by French people. A home GP race, which they do not have, would be their best opportunity to do so. Ever notice the Mercedes presence at the (former) German GP? Or, back in the day, Honda's at the GP of Japan? Call it national pride, flag waiving, jingoism or whatever, but it's a time honored tactic that a Renaut GP team would be without.
     
  4. william

    william Two Time F1 World Champ

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    I seriously doubt if presence in F1 really increase sales for car manufacvturers. Most of Renaults. which are practical budget to small compact cars, are bought by people who read and watch tests and reviews in the media. Practicality, reliability and economy are more of a concern when choosing a car in that market than anything else. I don't think that a Renault GP victory pushes people to rush to their nearest dealer with their cheque book.

    BTW, the brand that has grown the most in recent years in France is DACIA; a company that has no presence in motorsport!
     
  5. furoni

    furoni F1 World Champ

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    Well but we all now Dacia are just cheap Renaults, that's the only reason why they sell, they are cheap....Europe was not even theyr target market..(rather Africa) but many europeans don't have money to spare, so between a Dacia (wich is a Renault with a diferent package) and a "true " Renault,(wich is butt ugly all the same) they pick the cheapest one.
     
  6. David Lind

    David Lind Formula 3

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    William, you doubt if a presence in F1 helps sales? The question really is, "do manufacturers believe a presence in F1 helps sales"?
     
  7. william

    william Two Time F1 World Champ

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    I don't know if the believe in it, but they pretend they do.

    For a major motor racing manufacturer, being in motor racing at that level (F1) has other purposes maybe. It's a serious R & D programme to experiment new technologies, materials, methods which may benefit their road cars in future. It may take time for new technologies to trickle down to production level, but they do invariably.

    It's also good for brand awareness, unless it's the same suspects doing it over and over again - like Mercedes, Ferrari, Ford, Honda, Renault, etc... in that case they are overdoing it. Who doesn't know them?

    It would be interesting to see KIA, or Mitsubishi, or Subaru, or Volvo appear in F1 perhaps?

    Yes, DACIA is a Renault brand, the poor relative of the family, but people buy them because they are cheap budget cars, not because they are distantly associated with Renault's multi WDC or WCC. Most people couldn't care less about F1.
     
  8. David Lind

    David Lind Formula 3

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    William, I like your answer, "they pretend to"! After all, it must be kind of fun to hang around in the pits on the company's nickel as you eat catered cuisine, & meet George Clooney, George Lucas, Lindsey Vonn, PaulcCartney ... Selfies, anyone?
     
  9. william

    william Two Time F1 World Champ

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    Without mentioning "the elephant in the room" for big corporations; by which I mean that the racing budget (buried under the marketing or advertising title) is tax deductible on the balance sheet!!

    If you are CEO of a company that posts $ hundreds of millions of profit every year and pays a large tax bill for it, it's quite tempting to "waste a few $ millions in a racing programme. That may or may not promote sales, but invariably it gives columns in the press, air time on TV, and a good entertainment to your clients, dealers and executives.
     
  10. Hollywood-GP

    Hollywood-GP Karting

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    either way Renault has spent a lot of money on F1 Engine development, and maybe they do not have the best engine on the grid, but they are committed. I would not be surprised if their engine performed better as a works team.
     
  11. william

    william Two Time F1 World Champ

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    Maybe the guy who will design their chassis will listen to those who design the engine, unlike Adrian Newey...
     
  12. kraftwerk

    kraftwerk Two Time F1 World Champ

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    Newey knew that Renault lump wouldn't be up to the job ..and he was right.
     
  13. william

    william Two Time F1 World Champ

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    Newey had been told by Renault not to pack the engine too tightly in the chassis last year but choose to ignore the recommended clearances. As soon as the car ran, the heat-soak from the engine started to cook sensors and components in the PU electronic system.
    Weeks were lost changing components or relocating them in different spots, and improvising ducts to keep them cool.
    Toro Rosso cars could run before Red Bull which spend most of 2014 trying to get round the problems.
     

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