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BARN FIND 1959 250 COUPE LOST FOR 30 YEARS!

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  1. geno berns

    geno berns F1 Rookie

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  2. The Kook Abides

    The Kook Abides F1 Rookie

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    Great work. What a beautiful car!
     
  3. Enzojr

    Enzojr F1 World Champ

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    Wow that just makes my jaw drop, good job Geno and congrats.
    Your smile in that picture will never go away ;)
     
  4. geno berns

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    Thank you. That's not me in the pic...

     
  5. Christian.Fr

    Christian.Fr Two Time F1 World Champ

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    Combo color, looks much more better now. Congrats.
     
  6. WilyB

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    Stunning, congratulations!
     
  7. 300GW/RO

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    Wonderful, looks beautiful. Good Luck with her!
    Jack
     
  8. beng

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    Looks gorgeous. Congratulations. What are the colors and are they original?

    Regards, Ben
     
  9. geno berns

    geno berns F1 Rookie

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    Thank you. The car was originally white over blue. Now: Casa Blu Genziana over tan...

     
  10. Daytona Rick

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    So when do we get a look locally my friend? Expecting a call to come over and view it. Monterey this year?
     
  11. geno berns

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    Rick you're always welcome. Yes to Monterey.

     
  12. wbaeumer

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    White over blue...??? Fantastic! Would have been much more "molto speciale" than this -also very nice looking- color combo.

    Ciao!
    Walter
     
  13. rob lay

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    Congrats Geno, great story line.
     
  14. geno berns

    geno berns F1 Rookie

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    Thank you Rob


     
  15. Vintage47

    Vintage47 Karting

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    Gentlemen,
    Does this engine have a single plate Fichtel and Sachs clutch and flywheel arrangement or is it multi-plate?
    Thank You
     
  16. lancia

    lancia Formula Junior
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    It would have single plate F&S
     
  17. swift53

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    Why, if I may ask?

    I think the outcome is stunning. Congrats Geno!

    Regards, Alberto
     
  18. Fennicus

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    Hi,

    I can not answer on behalf of Walter, but personally I have developed a taste for conservation, as I think anything can only be original once. And once something has been "restored" it can be restored again, and again, and you will always loose something, some part of the cars history. Now I do not say that every ding and scratch would always be worth conserving and keeping, but factory original finishes and materials are becoming extinct. Much faster than we think. Regardless of vintage and make. Even more so with the more usual classic cars, as they are not always worth the effort to get them exactly right.

    Regarding original colours I have become even more conservative and really allergic towards the "paint it any colour you like" mentality. I could write an essey, if not already a novel on the subject, but I am unsure anyone would care to read it and thus I'll keep it short:

    It is highly interesting to see what the cars were like, and which colours the original owners and the factory chose at the time these cars were new and how they were presented.

    I don't think it will be very interesting to see what most of us consider "desireable" for a certain model at this age say after a couple of decades.

    In an effort to cut this short, I can only add that although only 38 out of ca. 18.000 3.8L Series 1 E-types were BRG when they left the factory, in a few years more than 50% of them will be. I am sorry I do not have the statistics for any classic Ferraris (yet) but I suspect that if we leave out the one-offs and other very unique cars with history that has made them important enough to keep their original colour specification, in a few years we will only have bright red and dark blue classic Ferraris, with a few yellow ones to add some variation.

    Now I hope I wasn't writing this too complicated nor that I would have anything against what other people think, I'm just trying to explain why I think it is important to preserve and/or restore cars also with the same colours and materials they were originally made.

    Cheers,

    Pekka T.
    Fin.

    Ps. To add a few terms, if you have a Rembrandt painting restored, surely you would not be the judge to change the hues and tones in the painting, would you? ;) Maybe it should then be called "repainted". Conservation is a good word, but in my book restore should also stand for returning to how it was when new. No opinions involved, just facts.
     
  19. swift53

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    Pekka, you are absolutely right, cars have a heritage to maintain, but then, this is not a Rembrandt, is it?

    So, I keep insisting, bordering on being monotonous and repetitious, if it is your car,
    you do what you want with it, and in this particular instance, the car in question was finished in a period and tasteful manner. Wrong?

    Innes Ireland's GTO, did it come out of the factory in green?

    Clearly, there are cars, that would be sacrilegious to change the original colour, and yet even that has been done :)

    In the height of the market craze, all sorts of Ferrari were painted 'resale red', yet no one
    complained (but then, we did not have the Web). As far as XKE's in BRG, well...

    Regards, Alberto

    PS. I do not wish to start a discussion on this topic, for it will never end.
    It would be way more practical to start a new thread on the subject,
    and respectfully, not take away from Geno's wonderful history.
     
  20. Fennicus

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    Hi Alberto,

    Yes, agree on most points, and did not want to stir or hijack this thread, but could not help also noticing the rather striking and rare original colour combination. And I felt I should comment as I wasn't the only one who thought this difficult subject was worth a few words.

    In my book these are Rembrandts, masterpices from another era. ;)

    Cheers,

    Pekka T.
    Fin.
     
  21. FCnew

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    Wow... What a beauty... I am speechless.
     
  22. Ron B

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    The new colour scheme is very much in the Period of the car . A really attractive colour combo on any car I think.
    With the aid of P/Shop has anyone ever wondered what a white over blue 250 looks like? :)
     
  23. 250PF

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    A Bosch VW generator can be made to work. You won't find an original inside plug generator anywhere.

    Looks to be reasonably intact. There are bit of these cars out there because so many were parted out

    I have a few bit and pieces left over, probably not what you need though.
     
  24. babci

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    #74 babci, Aug 10, 2015
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    "You won't find an original inside plug generator anywhere."

    Originals are around. Just depends on the price. Last one I saw 6 months ago went down at 14K+

    GTO Engineering provides a nice looking replica that looks very close. Check'm out they are in the neighborhood for the week exhibiting at the following the venues.

    Pebble Beach – RetroAuto: Thursday 13th - Sunday 16th August. Will be in the Grand Ballroom

    Concorso Italiano: Saturday 15th August

    Ferrari Owners Club of America - Monterey: Sunday 16th - Wednesday 19th August. Will be within Hyatt Regency Grand Ballroom (stand numbers 209 & 308)

    Rolex Reunion Leguna Seca: Friday 14th - Sunday 16th August. Will be at number 5 in the Market Place
     
  25. 250PF

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    14K for a generator??? Good lord, it must be made of solid gold! Or "unobtainium". Yes, everything has a price....

    If the generator is worth $14K how about my nice original blue M Riganti jack? $10,000 offers will be accepted!
     

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