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SE30 WHEELS FOUND

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  1. roytoy2003

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    #2 vaholtorf, Jul 30, 2015
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    Roy,

    If you remember, there was a recall on the SE30 wheels. Do you know if these are the update, or recalled wheels? The reason SE30 wheels pop up from time to time is because the original wheels were replaced by NHTSA recall order. So, just for liability reasons, if I were selling them I would provide a disclaimer that it is unknown if they are extra wheel because of the recall replacement, or not. That is your business, but that is my friendly advice, which is, of course worth what you pay for it! If one is uncertain if they are 'pre' or 'post' recall wheels then I think they are good for display or show only, and probably not good for road use, just as a cya. In any case, there were only 25 cars, and I know several SE30 cars were not corrected pursuant to the recall. And some were. There is a label attached to the underside of the door of SE30 cars that were corrected. Some dispute whether the recall was legit or not, but in the interest of full disclosure to the Lambo community, it should be out there. The recall is in the link below, as proven by this section of the "Notes" of the recall:

    SYSTEM: WHEELS; RIM.VEHICLE DESCRIPTION: PASSENGER VEHICLES 'DIABLO S.E. MODELS ONLY'NOTE: OWNERS WHO TAKE THEIR VEHICLES TO AN AUTHORIZED DEALER ON AN AGREED UPON SERVICE DATE AND DO NOT RECEIVE THE FREE RE
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    Here's the link:

    http://auto-recalls.justia.com/lamborghini/diablo/1992/95v186000/

    One should do their own research, but the reason that SE30 wheels pop up from time to time is because some SE30 cars had the upgraded wheels installed by dealers, which left extra wheels floating around if those extra were not destroyed. These extras could be safe, or not, depending on what you believe about these recalls. In any case, these wheels would be awesome to own even if just to display them, or to use for show, etc. But like a said before, I have seen SE30 cars with, and without the recall done, which explains why we haven't seen 25 sets of SE30 rims floating around.
     
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    100% correct...yes these wheels are AFTER the recall, they are the correct safe wheel and I am putting that in writing here. It was the first thing I checked. To give you a little further info, the "seller" was employed at Lamborghini in Hawaii for multiple years. He recently left and moved here due to his wife being in the Military and she was re-assigned here to Fort Lewis McCord Base. They intend to finish the last few years of her career here.

    So, MY FIRST call of course, was to the Dealership in Hawaii, who I know quite well..FIRST to see if they were "stolen". I was advised that they were not stolen, he had purchased them. They had a set delivered to them to "replace" the SE30 wheels that WERE recalled on the Artist Lassen's SE30 Purple car painted with Dolphins...which they sold to him in Hawaii, as well a a LM002 and a 2002 Murcie...all which he ended up painting animals on them. By the time the wheels had arrived to replace the recalled ones on the car..the car had left Hawaii and was at the Artist showroom in Las Vegas...so they were extras and he bought them and has had them ever since..

    HOWEVER Victor, if you recall, I sold that EXACT SE30 VEHICLE to a close friend of yours quite a few years ago. At that time you flew out here to Seattle to "inspect" it with him. You spent several hours going all over the car...I don't recall you EVER saying anything or asking anything about recall on that cars wheels...NOR did you remove them and inspect them.

    SO NOW, I am NOT SURE about "that" cars wheels..you may want to go check it with your friend and see if it ever was done...if not, I know where you can get a set for that car.
     
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    Hi Roy,

    Yes, thanks for all that information. My memory is a bit foggy after over ten years, but I seem to remember checking for the 'recall' completed decal on the car, and I thought it was there, so there was no need to say anything to you, buuut, I could be wrong. I will check with Steve. If his car has the recall sticker on the door, then something is not adding up. If his car does not have the decal on the door, then I will let him know where he can find the updated wheels that were destined for his car! Either you have a buyer for the updated wheels, or the something doesn't add up, because if Steve's car has the decal, then those wheels you have must be the original 'recall' bad wheels! I'll get to the bottom of it and report back to you.
    Thanks,
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    I would be curious to know what you find, please let us all know...and post a picture of it as well...
     
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    #6 roytoy2003, Aug 4, 2015
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    Hi Victor,

    Have not heard back what you found or learned?

    I did want to insure you and anyone else that may have concerns on these wheels...

    I have added two CLOSE up pics of the rear of the wheel. As you can see, and you should know Victor, they are equipped with the TWO(2) Heck Head bolts that were ONLY on the CORRECT wheels provided to replace the recall wheels...these "Heck Bolts" kept the plate from slipping.

    One interesting thing I did learn that I did not know till now..and I got this form probably the NUMBER one knows it for sure ex Lamborghini Employee..a LOT of the "first generation" wheels, mostly the USA cars, where "retrofitted" with the Hex bolt to conform to the correction and then made available for the cars again..either the car they came off of, or just as a re-sale item.

    So as I stated..these are the CORRECT wheel after the recall.
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    Hi Roy,

    I've spoken with Steve, and he is going to contact you. Regarding the 'recall wheels', in addition to the hex bolts, the plate should have been removed, and the paint stripped off of the wheel under that plate, so that the metal plate is secured by the hex bolts to bare magnesium alloy. The slickness of the painted surface was another reason for the recall. I imaging that was done, but it is easy to unbolt the plate and look to be sure.

    Roy, you and Steve should discuss his car and those wheels in my opinion.


    Thanks,
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    Of course I did..and Steve and I have talked...and your opinion..well I am sure you can figure what I think of it....
     
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    #9 vaholtorf, Aug 5, 2015
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    Why be ****** with that last comment? Are you trying to pick a fight with me? Want me to go 'Trump' on you?

    Last night you wrote:

    "Hi Victor, Have not heard back what you found or learned? "

    After I politely told you what I had learned, you wrote that you had already spoken with Steve, meaning you already new what I had learned. Why pick a fight? Don't throw rocks from your glass house.

    You already spoke with him, evidencing you agreed with my my opinion that the two of you should talk.

    "..and your opinion..well I am sure you can figure what I think of it...."
    Yea, duh, you agree with it!

    Since you want to be ****** and pick a fight, here you go: When Steve and I looked at that car years ago, of course you were asked about the recall and, you assured him that the recall was done and the wheels on the car you were selling him were the recall ones. After my discussion with Steve, I remember that as well, especially because the 'recall' plate was not on the door.

    Well NOW......you have come up with the 'recall' wheels, which implies that obviously the ones you sold him with that car were NOT the 'recall' ones. And now, you are trying to sell him the wheels you represented were with the car when you sold it to him years ago??
    WTF
    Well, as a licensed dealer, I feel you have some great liability here, and if you want to pick a fight with me, I will advise Steve to insist you give him the wheels he already bought from you. I believe Steve has a great case against you, and I am willing to testify to the foregoing. This is after all a federal recall issue involving vehicle safety......
     
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    EXACTLY now you answer it truthfully...but lets get one thing straight. You are WRONG. When this car was SOLD to you and your friend WAY BACK when..I had just started, I knew nothing of a "Recall" on SE cars, ...I guess that's WHY he brought you (the expert) all the way out to CHECK the car AND you said it was OK 'Mr Expert" telling me you had the one and ONLY SE30 that Nick Cage used to own and you were the "foremost" expert" on these USA SE30 cars...LOL Guess not..or you would have made sure it had the recall sticker on it, or contacted Lamborghini to see if it was done, some "expert" you are.

    Funny HOW you in your first post "Don't recall" as your memory was foggy...but NOW all of a sudden YOU REMEMBER EXACTLY..LOL LOL.

    As far as "these" wheels...I am NOT trying to sell them to him..never have. He called because you told him about this. He told me that he had his car checked out by George Evans SEVERAL times and Evans has assured him they are the correct "recalled" wheels on his car...so WHERE are you getting off saying the "wheels" I have BELONG to his car..they are not serial numbered, they are not coded..they are just ANOTHER set of SE wheels that have had the recall completed on them and I have them.

    AS I stated in my follow up answer to you, it was very very common for a set of "returned wheels" to the factory to be "retrofitted" with this simple fix to make them compliant. So I am sure that's what happened with these and your friends car has correct wheels as well, according to George Evans..NOT you the expert of course...BECAUSE it seems to me, had it been this simple to just pull a wheel off and see if it has a HEX nut or not..you would have done that in your 4 hour plus inspection of this car way back when, correct Mr Expert.

    AND now you come here and say YOUR GOING to INSIST your friend gets the wheels from me...I must have missed the day when you were a commissioned Judge and can make such Orders..LOL And testify ALL you want in court...because after all your an "Expert".

    You are just still PISSED off that I sold some items to a competitor of yours and NOT to you.., you dragged your feet...so you wait to long to pay and you don't get to play..


    And just to be correct...in the future, its "MR DICK" to you please...LOL
     
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    #11 vaholtorf, Aug 5, 2015
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    Good afternoon Mr. Dick;

    Thanks you for such a professional, well written, and thoughtful response. You sure do seem to have the skill to endear friendships. Especially with someone who has bought two cars from you, referenced and helped with several other sales from you, and someone that is looking out at eight Lambos including '75, '87, '88.5, '89 Countachs and other models, and knows dozens of others wanting to buy or sell cars....someone who will surely fall over himself to contact you when it is time to sell, buy, or otherwise help others with their transactions. Your business acumen continues to amaze........
     
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    Your more then welcome...AT least you know I speak how I feel and am not a "Say what you want to hear" person..
     

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