I enjoy the banter although I've reduced my consumption of Fchat F1 due in large part to the migraine inducing Hamilton drivel since the arrival of toil, but that is my issue. All members should be allowed to voice their opinions ad nauseam regardless of the topic and the Usual Suspects can determine for themselves whether their participation in a thread is an exercise in futility. Not everyone has had the ability to explore F1 prior to the Hamiliton era, I believe tolerance is the high road.
For those of you complaining about (or simply pointing out) the lack of moderation in the F1 forum, when is the last time you reported a post in this forum for attacks or insults against other users? You should realize that not all mods follow this forum, or any single forum here, for that matter. The advising moderator who regularly participates in here is not actually a moderator of this forum, and so he lacks the authority or ability to take moderator action here. If you see a post that violates the rules, report it immediately instead of either shooting back at the user with insults of your own or waiting until things have gotten out of hand and then complaining about the lack of moderation. With 2,500-3,000 new posts made on F-Chat each day, it's impossible for us to stumble across more than a small fraction of them. And when was the last time either of you reported that moderator for a rules violation in this forum? I assume you're aware of the "report post" button that looks like this: /!\? You could better serve the forum by using it than by making vague references to this user's behavior sometime after the fact.
This is true, however there are rules that should be observed: 1.1 No "Flaming": Please do not post any messages that harass, insult, belittle, threaten or flame another user. 1.2 No "Trolling": Please do not post any topic that disrupts the peace and harmony of this community. Don't create meaningless threads with the sole purpose of starting a dispute. This includes messages in profiles and signatures.
Dear El Wayne, as an example of the drivel factor in this forum, I refer you to the recent Hungary race thread which when I last checked had reached 45 pages in length, the vast majority of which I believe breaches your rule 1.2 above. What action do you propose to take?
From a cursory glance, it appears that most of the recent drivel was a back-and-forth between daytona355 and kraftwerk. They have both been issued two week bans as of today (oddly enough, because one of them reported some of these posts today). Next time around, don't wait until there are 45 pages. Offensive posts from 25 pages ago should have been reported 25 pages ago.
Today. This thread. Your including me in your post makes me question whether the post alert system is working. If it is, did you read it? If you did, why imply I did not.
I received no reports until today. Your comment that this section is painful implies that, in your experience, the problem in this forum has been ongoing and predates this particular thread considerably. And I'm not denying that it's painful. I'm only asking that all of you who are now vocal on the issue lend a hand by reporting posts before they spawn 45 pages of subsequent insults and bickering.
I alerted the hungary race thread as well. Are you denying that? Seems like you are more interested in posting untruths about me, than moderating a section.
It generally doesn't bother me. It did bother me that the Hungary race thread (best race of the year by far) went that way. I just stopped reading it : ( I have no problem with people taking polite little jabs at each other or whatever, but seems a little overwhelming recently.
Simon, please calm down and try not to take Wayne's passing comments personally. I happen to know that Wayne was not available and not paying attention to Fchat for this last week and only now had time to check in to what's been going on. So your /!\ on 7/26 was not something he would have seen. As far as other mods in F1, there's basically Andrew, Mike, Tillman and Rob. I'm listed, but I'm not very active these days. The reality is that Rob has actually cut back on mods on the site by about 50% and has been relying on a handful to take care of the entire site, with an extended group of mods that take care of a few special sections. This means that these 4 or 5 people are not going to be able to review every post and even many threads, hence Wayne's comment about how important using /!\ is. This thread has now gained attention for the F1 forum and we're reviewing users and posts and we're looking to do something more proactive. So let's focus on what that is, rather than unintended slights.
Wayne, The problem is we don't quite have a rule to cover the unnecessary over support of any one F1 driver. It is close to trolling but then if every single post that supported a driver was considered trolling we would have very short discussions. What we have at the moment is out of control reactionary Lewis Hamilton support that pollutes every single post when the rest of us are trying to talk about what actually happened. I admit I found it amusing for a while and stirred the pot, but you cannot say anything now without a reaction ... I honestly don't know the answer but I think if a moderator (yes I know there are few of them) just watched the threads for the next race and monitored the trends they might be able to PM those involved and help it pull back to sane levels. Pete
I'm very calm. But when I am twice called out in this thread for not alerting, and that that is the problem (when I did, in both this thread today and the most recent race thread), I find that offensive. Off to complain to my Nanny now!
Relax. I assure you that I'm here to address the issue and that none of us have any problem with you personally. If you feel that you've been reporting the offensive activity in this section all along, and yet for some reason, those reports have been continuously ignored, then I apologize to you. I have no idea why that would be the case, but it's certainly not because we moderators have some interest in slighting you. In the meantime, it will be helpful if everyone here reports personal attacks and trolling behavior whenever they encounter it. As I mentioned before, F-Chat experiences between 2,500-3,000 new posts each day, making it impossible for a handful of moderators to read every one of them.
I bet that our Admins/Moderators arent around here 24/7 - but if plenty of posts are reported in the same topic Id like to Think that there will be a reaction pretty fast. Cheer up guys Image Unavailable, Please Login
Ironically this thread also lowers the quality of the f1 section. After the race finished I've only made 5-6 posts in the Hungary thread stating my opinion. Why am I always at the top of the list?
That´s because I AM NOT A SNITCH. Now seriously. I don´t think that the rudeness of this forum is too unbearable. Sometimes it gets nasty but hey, ---- happens. Also at this point we all know who the "usual suspects" are so we can take their comments with the appropiate grain of salt. My comments were about that sometimes some "advising moderators" (I won´t be more precise without being in presence of my lawyer) like to "join the party" and stir the ----. Some may say that moderators can have an opinion and have some fun like everybody else, but I think that a moderator, just like a cop or a politician, should show some restraint in public. Just my opinion.
Apparently, you haven't made it to the "top of the list" just yet. Two users were banned today for behavior in that thread and others. You are still posting.
Marginal trolling is something that we have addressed, but by its nature it takes a while to build up a "case". In any case, our concern would not be a user who is an over-exuberant fan of any given driver, but those who resort to name calling or insults in any given exchange. The site would normally recommend that users who found other users tiresome and repetitive, but not flaming or trolling, just place those users on "Ignore". This is not a complete solution, but it does help lower the annoyance factor to the offended user.
Duly noted, HOWEVER, moderators are not here because they're paid to be here, fulfilling some civic duty like cops and politicians. We're all just users here, no different than yourself, who visit F-Chat for the same reasons you do - to have fun, to be entertained, and to interact with a bunch of people who share our interest in cars. Because we also appreciate this place enough to volunteer to help Rob keep things running smoothly, doesn't mean that we can't continue to enjoy the site in the same way that all of the other users can. That advising moderator is here to have fun just like the rest of us, and has no duty to act any differently than any other user, as long as he's playing within the rules. He has simply volunteered his time to help out in certain areas of the site. How unfair would it be to then place additional restrictions on how he may behave simply because of his generosity? And as I requested before, if you see him or any other user violate the rules, please report the activity so that it can be properly addressed.
I was meaning how I am the scapegoat and all users blame me for the troublemaking when, in my view at least, I don't cause any trouble and always voice my opinion politely (for the most part). I feel sorry for Krafty though, it's Sid with the vicious tongue.
I', sorry for Krafty and Daytona as i think both of them are good contributors for the f.1 section but, again, they both oversteped the limit, we are all grown ups, and insulting and making threats to each others it's childish abd unecceptable...hope they will both be back with a bit more comon sense.....Toil, you are not a scapegoat, you are the main problem around here, and untill someone decided enough is enough , you will continue to be the biggest problem on this section, becaue unlike some of the banned users, you have nothing to say to the f.1 discussion except to praise Hamilton.
In an alphabetical copy/paste Aircon daytona355 kraftwerk P.Singhof toil Suddenly the thread becomes readable. Ignore those who are the master of baiting, ignore those who always quote/reply to someone who is baiting them, and finally ignore those who drop to personal insults. The middle category, I periodically take off ignore, but when a thread does what the last GP did, they go right back.
We have no rule against exuberant celebrity worship. If you find his constant praise of Hamilton annoying, well then, that's exactly why the ignore list function exists. If he insults, attacks, or belittles other users, however, then please report him so that we can deal with it. In other words, if you truly believe that he's the problem around here as you say, then please choose the appropriate function and put it to use.
I'm a bit surprised that you include P.Singhof in that. He never attacks anyone or belittles them. He responds logically and politely to whatever inaccuracy, exaggeration or fantasy is thrown up by the Hamilton fanbois.....personally I enjoy reading his posts because they show every hole in the ridiculous arguments forwarded by the blinkered hamlovers which drive most of us crazy. You also left out some very prominent names from your list, but that's another topic.
