Okay then, to everyone: Let's see if we can just deal with this openly, yet without resorting to attacking each other. daytona355 and kraftwerk: They have issues with each other, they feed off of each other, and they've destroyed threads by going after each other with insults and other personal attacks. It doesn't matter which of the two has been responsible for starting it, by responding in kind, they share the responsibility for trashing F1 threads. They each received a two week ban today and I expect that they will behave differently when they return. If they do not, then they will either receive significantly longer bans from the site, or possibly be permanently banned from the F1 forum. Aircon: What's the issue here? Cheerleading? Instigating flame wars between others? Flat-out attacking others? Trolling behavior (intentionally starting disputes)? Respond with links to recent examples, not baseless accusations. Aircon, if you have been intentionally trolling, then be aware that any further trolling behavior will result in either an extended F-Chat ban or a permanent ban from the F1 forum. toil: Appears he's being accused of annoyingly praising Hamilton at every opportunity. This is not a violation of any rule, unless he's doing it simply to disrupt the peace and harmony of the community. Seems to me he's more of an overactive fanboy than an intentional troll, and the appropriate response for this is not to attack him publicly, but to add him to your "ignore" list. Disagree? Then please respond with links to recent examples, not baseless accusations. toil, if you have been intentionally trolling, then be aware that any further trolling behavior will result in either an extended F-Chat ban or a permanent ban from the F1 forum. P.Singhof: Is he really a disruptive force here? If so, then respond with links to recent examples that support the claim, and not baseless accusations. I'm also not interested in ancient history, so no need to dig up threads from last year. And if you're being called out in this thread as a problem child, then don't respond with an attack on your accuser. Either share your side of the story, or simply apologize (or not) and assure us that you will change your behavior going forward. It's the current topic now, so let's hear it. As with the others, supply links to recent examples that support your claims, and not baseless accusations. And before you accuse anyone of being part of the problem here, realize that users who express unpopular views are NOT a problem; those who attack and insult them for it are.
Yes...the issue is the cheerleading.....constantly and irrationally, illogically and frustratingly. But so what? I've always said it's funny to see. Some of the fanbois have been known to make rude comments about people or, at times, their grammar, but nothing that's been serious enough for me to complain, even though it's got them a ban at times. I don't know if it's just mindless blinkering or endless trolling, but it's hard for a few of us not to respond to because sometimes it's so removed from reality. Adding to the frustration is that sometimes a post will be made that has nothing at all to do with Hamilton, but one of the fanbois will respond as if it was an attack on Hamilton, his racing or his manhood. I don't get it, but it's been happening. But so what? it's just weird....(IMO). To be honest, at times, I also wonder if some of the Hamilton cheerleaders are actually the same person using a VPN or something to trick the mods. Look, a few months ago I did enjoy poking the bear...I'd make posts poking fun at Hamilton just to get a rise out of the fanbois....However, a few of the regulars PMd me begging me to stop, because even though they could see the joke in it, the fanbois didn't and the fallout was huge. so....I stopped doing that long ago. I can't work out what toil's agenda is.....but it is endless and prolific! No...he's not. He's logical, precise and polite. He picks apart the ridiculous claims made by the Hamilton fanbois, including their historical inaccuracies and contradictions. I love reading his posts.....he writes what I don't have the patience to write. Anyone who sees that any other way has some sort of agenda. What I don't get is the fanatic Hamilton following. It doesn't happen with any other driver. If someone can work out what it's all about, I'd be intrigued to know.
What he said. The rules are the same for everybody everywhere: no personal attacks That said eg driver bashing is ok as it is an expression of free speech Thats all. As for the claims the F-1 forum is going downhill: those claims are as old as the forum, users come and go, it is par for course, of all the people who left I only miss one and my feeling is he left here not because of the banter. Now all the talk is about Hammy because he is the guy to beat. Before that Vettel and his fans and bashers were all the rave. Before that it was Alonso and on and on and on, nothing new.
That's just not true. None of the illogical and historically incorrect argument has occurred to this extent before......and it's THAT that causes the non stop discussion which people complain about. I was going to post examples, but we all know what's been going on.
A good snapshot : I won't even go about the other 100 + posts where this scapegoat insulted/trolled Ian and others; his "buddy" Kraftwerk is a gentleman who has not reacted without provocation, and should not be tarred with the same brush. Have some humility, a sense of humour, and knowledge (like Kraftwerk), and all will be fine. Personally find any accusation against Andreas ludicrous -( I don't post often but read this forum daily) and from my outsider's point of view, all he does is play the devil's advocate and calls a spade a spade - if Hamilton's doing better than Rosberg on merit this season, why can't he state a fact. I spoke out against Ian's ban, and do the same for Kraftwerk, only because these are members who one can learn something from. I only own a lowly 575, but all my pics etc are in the talkaudio MO forum, and am frankly embarrassed to direct my friends/acquaintances here due to the petty bickering - people think Ferrari owners are special - all this experience, success, and knowledge, and we come across as spoilt arguing brats. Best, Sammy
It doesn´t matter if they are not paid or whatever: if they volunteered to do something they must do it right, or they should not had volunteered in the first place. Also, they are not "regular" users like me, as they have some "power" here and therefore some responsability. If I screw it up, I get banned and life goes on; if a moderator screws it up, other users are screwed up. Anyway, enough said, I think we got each other´s point and we agree at 75%. And everybody else, moderators or not: please, behave! One problem we have here is that the rules allow extreme amounts of bashing as long as you don´t bash other users. But we sometimes forget that bashing the driver x, using uncarefully chosen words, sometimes can be read as "you have to be a moron to support the driver x". This probably can´t be addressed by moderators or forum rules, it´s up to us to get our words under control.
As long as you understand that intentional disruption is trolling and a violation of the rules. The F1 forum needs more harmony, not more disruption. This doesn't mean that everyone has to agree on every point, hold each others' hands, and begin singing Kumbaya together, but let's not be pointlessly stirring the pot in already inflamed situations. Reacting with insults, with or without provocation, was Kraftwerk's mistake. He should have reported the other user instead of stooping to his level. Like I said, I doubt either will be a problem when they return. They're both mature adults and probably just needed some time away from each other to chill.
And you keep alluding to some issue with Andreas. This is your chance to vent, so let's hear it - backed up with links to specific recent examples, of course. Otherwise, stop taking jabs at him, thinly-veiled or otherwise.
Quick question: can users be put in ignore via the Tapatalk app, or must I use a different interface? Thank you...T
Neither of us have the time or the inclination to go into that really. Suffice to say when he contradicts himself, I'm happy to point it out. Also, when toil makes one of his one eyed and irrational posts, which are the subject of the discontent of so many, and out of the blue tif12 suddenly decides to jump on his bandwagon with a "+1", it can't be seen as more than troublemaking IMO....but he's very subtle albeit obvious as well. Am I reading too much into it? Taking the above in isolation I'd say yes, but when you put everything into the mix, no, I'm not. Anyway, I don't care about it and it doesn't worry me, but I won't let it go either. Why should I? I just point out the contradictions...no insulting.....no name calling....no trolling....and they're not 'jabs'. Of course, if I have to stop, I will....but as far as I can see, it's not against any TOU....nor is his ramming his opinion down our throats like they're facts that he has inside knowledge about. However, it's interesting that I'm not the only one to see it. I just happen to agree with DeSoto's view of moderating.
My 2 bobs worth .... Moderating is a ridiculously impossible job and really shouldn't be necessary. Most of us have the power to prevent problems by simply ignoring. I find most of the posts being complained about amusing, so I have a little grin and move on. I have a suggestion, mostly based on not liking to see anyone banned. When it's clear that some members are going at each other, perhaps a mod could simply take all those posts, create a new thread called "Mr-X, Y & Z - go for it" and place all the offending posts in that new thread and X, Y etc can go to their hearts content (well without getting completely out of control) and the rest of us can enjoy the original thread - which is way better than a good thread being locked. Anyway, its just a thought for the mod to mull over.
I'm pretty sure most people here know how I feel about toil and his constant Hamilton worship, but even I have to admit he's slowed down a lot. Aircon, I agree with most everything you say buts it enough. You, krafty, toil, Daytona (there's a few random minions that have showed up also), are ruining everything race thread. It was funny, but now its frustrating. I have most of the Hamilton fans on ignore, but the problem is the quoting gets posted every other thread. I was guilty of quoting too and stopped out of respect. I've stopped myself before I got banned and even PMed a mod as to how far I could go with childish trolling and was told politely to stop. I like this forum a lot we have a lot of great guys and some entertaining characters here, but for us racing fans its getting pretty rough. The report button only works if something is offensive or breaks the rules. When people know how to be annoying without breaking the rules is where the problems come in. Sorry aircon, but your back and forth with the "twins" is equally as annoying. There 1 good post for every 10 nonsense arguments. My 2 cents
+1 +1 And another +1. Well said. Not quite sure how to fix it beyond noting again that "ignore" (& not quoting) really is your friend. Cheers, Ian
I've checked and don't see how that would be possibe. You'll have to access the full site in your web browser in order to add people to your "ignore" list.
How will those in question entertain themselves? Watch bowling? Read War and Peace? Analyze the Federal budget? Lol Take up golf? Origami? Video games? Best
Perhaps we should look to a larger cause in the turning of F'chatter upon F'chatter? The Ferrari F1 team has not been doing well for a long time. Save for this year's Hungary Grand Prix, the Ferrari's have been dwelling in the cellar. Not quite in deep a depths as the McLaren team, but still, to us Ferrari F1 fans (dare we aspire to the title "tifosi"?), who glory in the team's annual triumphs, it has been a long drought. Perhaps we, in our thirst, have turned upon each other?
And now sid has got my thread locked by coming on there and insulting everybody... The whole purpose of that thread being to keep the Hamilton discussion to a minimum in the race thread. What you will see now is that aircon will pollute every thread (regardless of the topic) with quotes and pictures from Lewis's Instagram and Twitter in a desperate attempt to keep himself amused between races.
