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Could we have more moderating of the F1 area please

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  1. Aircon

    Aircon Ten Time F1 World Champ
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    That's it? No comment on any of the other posts? Not even Maulaf's??
     
  2. Simon^2

    Simon^2 F1 World Champ

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    #102 Simon^2, Aug 2, 2015
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    Very Nice.

    So let me get this straight… you want us to use the alert /!\,… which I have proven I have been doing. And now you respond with this. You're a class act.

    When the mods become trolls…

    I'm gone.
     
  3. El Wayne

    El Wayne F1 World Champ
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    #103 El Wayne, Aug 2, 2015
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    Even if this was the case in the past, it is no longer, Same rules apply as the rest of the board. No personal attack/insults and no trolling. I've asked for people to post links to specific recent examples here as opposed to just making general accusations without basis, yet nobody has done so.

    PLEASE, stop trying to "educate them" and report their behavior instead. If you've seen recent trolling behavior, then post up links please. I can't ban someone simply because a few users say "he's a troll". I'm not denying that toil, Aircon, and whoever else have been trolling, but I need to see recent evidence of it.

    And remember, trolling is defined by Rob in the rules here as making meaningless posts with the sole purpose of starting a dispute or disrupting the peace and harmony of this community. Just because an F1 fan is not on the Scuderia Ferrari Love Bus and expresses an opinion that's contrary to the majority opinion does not make him a troll. If a user has a pattern of posting, not to defend his position or to show support for his favorite driver/team, but simply to start a dispute or cause disruption on this site, then he's trolling. If that's what you see (and up until now, you've not reported violations as you've seen them), then build your case here. I've opened the thread up to this, so let's see some links.

    And yet others here say just the opposite - that Kraftwerk's a good guy who's been bamboozled by daytona355, the source of real nasty comments. You see, this is why I'm asking for specific recent examples. If I took action against everyone based on all of the finger-pointing, there would be no one left here.

    With the exception of this past week, I generally look at every reported post made during my waking hours (PST). What I see most often are people who are upset because a user has posted an opinion that opposes their own or that of the group. If the reported post was made in a civil manner, or if it's in the same tone as other posts in the thread (which may be less than civil, yet not in violation of any rule), then it's left alone.
     
  4. El Wayne

    El Wayne F1 World Champ
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    You can't blame Andreas for any inaction in this forum. As I pointed out before, he doesn't hold moderator status in this forum and has no ability to do anything other than report posts, the same as you. Andreas has an advising moderator title because he helps Rob out with another area of this site. You and most of the people posting in this thread have no access to that area of F-Chat, and so he is nothing more than a fellow user to you here. He is not to blame for any action or inaction on the part of the moderators here in the F1 forum.

    As far as moderator inaction in the past, I won't deny it. I haven't been active in this area of the site unless I received reported posts, but I'm here now to repair whatever damage I can.
     
  5. El Wayne

    El Wayne F1 World Champ
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    I'm a slow typist.
     
  6. Aircon

    Aircon Ten Time F1 World Champ
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    lol.....

    no problem.
     
  7. Aircon

    Aircon Ten Time F1 World Champ
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    You're asking the impossible.

    There's a whole storyline here....maulaf gave you the best clue I've read so far.

    No one can realistically just link to a few posts and form a complete picture.
     
  8. Fast_ian

    Fast_ian Two Time F1 World Champ

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    Fair enough.

    I don't think I've ever (maybe once?) reported a post. As others have said, always seemed like "snitching" to me..... But, I sure as hell will do so going forward.

    FWIW, I don't consider Aircon a troll - He's an Aussie wind-up merchant looking to get a rise out of a few folk, but by his own admission has even backed off on that lately.

    Cheers,
    Ian
     
  9. El Wayne

    El Wayne F1 World Champ
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    I'm trying to say it with humor, but the fact is that you're posts are so irrational (mods ignore trolls to increase posts counts?) that I can't even respond to them rationally. If you want to leave this discussion, that's fine. If you want to start another thread to seriously(?) discuss your theories, then please do it outside of the F1 forum, because it's not advancing the cause here.
     
  10. maulaf

    maulaf Formula 3

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    Hi El Wayne.

    I should have perhaps began with thanking you for actually being in action here and now in an effort to try and help.
    I am not accussing him of inaction, it was a general comment. It was in response to his statement that it happened to be him that I quoted.

    I am sitting here with beer 1 and a silly CFD simulation that keeps blowing up. If I get that to run before I run out of beer I might go ahead and compile you a couple of select toil specials and Kraftwerk fillets. no promise!!!
     
  11. El Wayne

    El Wayne F1 World Champ
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    If this is the case, then I suggest the following:

    1. Beginning today, clean slate for everyone here (other than those who are out on bans at the moment).

    2. If you've been accused in this thread of trolling behavior, then going forward, refrain from whatever behavior has brought on the accusations. Even if you've had the best of intentions, it's clear that your actions have upset a large number of other users (who will be reporting your offending posts with regularity from now on) and have disrupted the peace and harmony here. This will no longer be tolerated (despite the fact that I might otherwise be rewarded a special moderator badge for the resulting increase in post counts).

    3. Report, report, report. If you don't see action being taken (not immediately, mind you - some us need our sleep), then it's possibly because moderators didn't agree with your assessment. It happens.

    4. If moderators don't agree with your assessment, then keep an eye out for the silent black helicopters. You can't hear them coming.

    5. Aussies (Aicon), keep in mind that your sense of humor and good fun is not necessarily understood by the rest of us up here in the Northern Hemisphere. Outside of the Aussie forum, getting others wound up in order to have a good laugh at them can be construed as disruptive behavior.
     
  12. El Wayne

    El Wayne F1 World Champ
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    Promised to spend some time with my kids today before they go back to school, so I'm going to let the thread roll for the rest of the day and I'll check back in later.
     
  13. tifosi12

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    There is a new sheriff in town.

    I hear Morricone's soundtrack in the back.
     
  14. Aircon

    Aircon Ten Time F1 World Champ
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    Understood
     
  15. maulaf

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    haha... isn't most of the back and forth between two English and two Aussies? Wasn't there history between those countries?
     
  16. Aircon

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    I just see toil and co as those football junkies whose team, according to them, is the best of them all and feels the need to constantly tell everyone. The team only loses because either the other team cheated or the umpires acted against them. Additionally, any criticism of the team is taken as a personal insult and is cause for ridicule and abuse from the fans as well as further ridiculous claims, changing history and skewing stats.

    What else can you do but laugh and make fun of them? Reporting them won't help. They're delusional and believe what they type.

    I still don't have a problem with it if, in turn, I can make fun of them. However if I have to constantly hold my tongue to appease others, then it does become tedious reading.

    And just for clarification, making fun of them is never done maliciously.
     
  17. Aircon

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    There still is, apparently.... The Ashes
     
  18. IamRobG

    IamRobG F1 Rookie

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    Sounds fair enough. Like I said though, one can be very annoying without breaking rules.

    Is there a way to see a post count in the F1 section by member? I think that would show the annoying increase in a few people and a drastic decrease in more of the well respected contributors around here. P&R has less nonsense than this place lately. I've only reported a handful of posts one being a holocaust reference with no action taken but a warning. But it's a fesh start now so lets see what happens.
     
  19. greg 19425

    greg 19425 Formula 3

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    ........Thank you El Wayne. :)
     
  20. P.Singhof

    P.Singhof F1 Rookie

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    As my name was mentioned a few times in this thread I want to give my two cents in here as well.

    First of all I thank all those who had kind words for me (Aircon, Bas Jaski, fast ian, maulaf and I hope I forgot none) but I do not feel that I need to be defended. If someone thinks that this forum is more enjoyable without my post then it is his good right to have me on ignore, I do not take that personal. He might have his reasons and he does not have to justify them.

    If someone thinks that I am part of the problem responding to toil and tesla then I am sorry, this was not my intention. Reflecting the past (especially the recent Hungary race thread) I would blame myself being naive enough to think that toil and friends are actually interested in a discussion and that logic argument might at least be recognized but apparently this is not the case. Some might say posting something to achieve a reaction (like mine) without being interested in an actual discussion might be called "trolling" but obviously the moderators do not (or can not according their rules) share this view.

    As toil himself again washed his hands of it and represents himself as a victim of all that it is doubtful that he will change and so it seems that we have to sit it out that a handfull of fanboys have taken over this section. As soon as Mercedes might not support a superior car they might be gone as fast as they came when Mercedes did...

    I think I might have learnt a lesson and I will try to follow Ians advice telling me a long time ago: ignore it as good as you can.

    Thanks and sorry again
     
  21. NeuroBeaker

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    Speaking personally, as a fellow F1 enthusiast, I've always enjoyed your posts. I managed to learn things from you that enriched my F1 spectating experience even if you felt the person you may have been quoting at the time didn't take anything on board.

    My interpretation was that the frustration some were trying to express was with the limitations of the ignore feature rather than with you personally. I, for one, sincerely hope you will continue to be an avid and valuable contributor.

    All the best,
    Andrew (as a member, not a mod).
     
  22. Isobel

    Isobel F1 World Champ

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    Thank you for your many attempts and no need for apologies. Hopefully we'll be back on the road soon. ;)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSJl-3OO1vI
     
  23. furoni

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    Peter, some time ago, another menber acused me of trolling and said i should be banned, even if his opinion meant nothing to me, i was deeply offended, so i'm pretty sure you also were, but as many have stated, the people that "make" this section like your posts and value your contribution....El Wayne as spoken, and will have to stand by his decision, and hope as IZZie said that will be back on the road soon enough.
    Just one final thing Wayne, the problem with Toil was never a diference of opinion (on this i think we are all very tolerant),but rather a diference of interest, we are here to discuss f.1, he's not.
     
  24. maulaf

    maulaf Formula 3

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    This is a selection based on a quick random search through the board and NOT the tip of the iceberg! I remember some harsher things but it is a bit troublesome to navigate through history...

    Wishing bad on other driver
    The usual modus operanti. Throw in excuses for Hamilton and bash Rosberg a bit
    An entire thread already an insult to a driver in the title
    Constant insult in his ‘prediction’ of a race. The *** are edits where it is typically ‘Cheatberg’, ‘Crashberg’ and nastier things
    obviously his agenda
    response to someone challenging the above. How more evidence for trolling is needed, I don't know.
    Definition of troll
    That break was very short
    Intentions clear again (not that it is an offence, just more evidence of his needs).
    Wishing bad luck on other driver as so often
    The usual wishing bad on others
    Same same
    One of his gems
    ???
    What seems to be common cause with all trolls it that they see everything in bases. If one criticizes a driver, one is either a hater of that driver or fanboy of another. This, despite daily reminder of the opposite, toil, his twin and Kraftwerk have not grasped today that it might not be true.
    so balanced

    Nyom… discredit wherever possible
    Huh?
    Huh2?

    Again, this is a collection of random findings.
    I can only recommend going through a thread or two and witness the interaction between toil and the others. There is absolutely no interest in any sort of debate except his public mission statement to convert us.
    This is a complement misunderstanding of a discussion forum.
     
  25. tifosi12

    tifosi12 Four Time F1 World Champ
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    #125 tifosi12, Aug 2, 2015
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    Once again: personal insults are ban worthy, driver bashing is not

    Rosberg IMHO is a glorified midfielder and Hamilton the real deal. Whether I or toil or anybody else is right or wrong about this is irrelevant as it is my or his opinion. The whole point of a chat site like this is to debate and express your opinion.

    You cannot hold it against toil or any user to support his driver and/or criticize another. It is freedom of speech.
     

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