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Question for GT4 authenticity experts

Discussion in '308/328' started by Jack-the-lad, Aug 7, 2015.

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  1. Jack-the-lad

    Jack-the-lad Seven Time F1 World Champ
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    Is there a definite point in the model run where the Dino horn button was replaced with the cavallino rampante button? If a GT4 is badged as a Dino and has Dino wheel centers should it have a Dino horn button, or is it really impossible to determine when a total change-over from Dino to Ferrari happened?

    A fine point, granted, but I could not figure it out from researching Bluemel's book, period road tests, sales brochures, etc.

    Thanks.

    Jack.
     
  2. absostone

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    Not really sure . I would think it all said Dino from the factory. I replaced all the wheels, nose, and decklid back to Dino. I like the cavallino on the steering wheel.
     
  3. celestialcoop

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    Greetings Gents,
    Many moons ago I had a fabulous GT4. At that time, I acquired a set of technical bulletins for the car. Ferrari had previously released to the dealers a series of "technical revisions to the body." CIRCOLARE TECNICA No. 266/8, dated 1-7-75, titled: VETTURA: DINO 308 GT4 USA, OGGETTO: MONTAGGIO FREGI FERRARI may be the source you are looking for.

    Essentially, this directive lists part numbers and guidance for fitting of the Ferrari badges on the steering wheel, nose and rear panel. I'll scan the page and post it later.

    So, to answer your original question, Jack, it would appear that 1-7-75 might be a likely 'as of' date.
    Cheers,
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  4. Jack-the-lad

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    Thanks, Coop. I'll look forward to the post.

    Jack
     
  5. GT4 Joe

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    Yes.
    Provided that the nose badge and wheels are original. '74 and '75 models for sure.
    After that, the change dates and dealer bulletins get a little confusing.
     
  6. 308GBV

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    Just saying my 75 has Dino wheel caps. Dino horn button but ferrari nose badge. Go figure !!!
     
  7. greyboxer

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    #7 greyboxer, Aug 9, 2015
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    As I recall the technical bulletin has already been posted in several of the other threads asking the same question - try a search on 266/8
     
  8. Brian Harper

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    Because the technical bulletin went to dealers the answer to your question might depend much more on the date of sale rather than the date of manufacture, assuming your question is asking how the car was originally sold to the first owner. But there was also some date at which the factory switched from Dino badging to Ferrari badging. I'll bet this is not well known because the cars were retrofitted forward through the assembly and delivery process.

    Some GT4s sat on dealer lots for quite a while as new cars, hence the reason for the technical bulletin to begin with. So there will be early cars delivered with Ferrari badging and cars with later serial numbers delvered with Dino badging. And then there are cars that were sold and then got some portion of the bulletin dealer or DIY installed.

    I don't think there are any sharp lines anywhere in this process.
     
  9. celestialcoop

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    Good call, greyboxer.
    On 1-24-2008 'Mark 308 gt4' started a thread entitled "What to do? -- What to badge?" And, in post #10, some guy with the handle 'celestialcoop' posted the picture of 266/8! (Thanks for being gentle, Jimmie.)
    I don't recall how to forward that pic to this thread; if anyone can, please do.
    Cheers,
    Coop
     
  10. gt4me

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    A lot of dealers started putting Ferrari badges on them before it was official,just to shift them.
     
  11. NoGoSlow

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    Mine is the same (Horsey nose)... it looks like a previous owner changed that one badge a long time ago. There is no Dino indentation in the sheet metal, so I wonder if it was filled or if the whole piece was replaced. I assume the change was for market acceptance.
     
  12. jimgolf1

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    #12 jimgolf1, Aug 11, 2015
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    Look under the nose and you can tell if it was filled in. Here is a picture from under the front nose of my March 1975 GT4 #10388. It had most the bulletin changes done while it sat at the dealer for a year probably because it was green.
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  13. NoGoSlow

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    Mine also was a March 1975 baby (10568), but was untitled until 1977. I felt the underside and don't find any indentation, so it was probably cut out when the car was repainted to Bianco Polo Park in 1980.
     
  14. celestialcoop

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    on my #15192 the horizontal filled dimples are present, but not the depression for the Dino Badge. if these were all executed by the dealers still in 1979, then they would have had to repaint the nose. They may have had stock of these panels at the factory they were also changing over.
     
  16. VIZSLA

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    My understanding was that the factory began switching badges with the series two cars and that unsold series one's were rebadged by the dealers.
    In that its Ferrari exceptions are to be expected and early series Two bodies may have been pressed with Dino badge shaped impressions.

    Thoughts?
     
  17. Brian Harper

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    But note that the technical bulletin does not require any paint. It simply adds the Ferrari badge right over the top of the Dino badge.

    And I like the instruction to keep the Ferrari badge center lined up with the center of the Dino badge. I suspect if you put all of the Ferrari badges on lined up with the center of the car or centered between the headlights you might find the badges don't align.

    My series 1 had the filled in Dino divot. It could just barely be seen under the paint and was clearly there when I removed the chin panel.
     
  18. Jack-the-lad

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    I don't think I've ever seen a GT4 (or a picture of one) with the cavallino badge placed above the Dino badge.

    Back on topic, I'm still unclear (perhaps there is no clear cut answer) about the horn button. On a 1975 U.S. market GT4, badged as a Dino, with Dino wheel caps, should the horn button be Dino, cavallino,........or could it be either and still be correct? On the particular car I'm referring to, I have no reason to believe any previous owner would have changed the horn button.

    Thanks for all the replies so far.
     
  19. skullyspice

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    I would say the badges should match to be correct. when the factory decided to switch from Dino to Ferrari badges they did them all at once. Its not likely it would have left the factory like that, but that doesn't mean the dealer might not have done it. so not exactly clear cut.
     
  20. Jack-the-lad

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    Thanks for posting that.

    Jack
     
  21. Brian Harper

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    I'm not sure there's a "correct" answer exactly, but I agree with this. Either the car has the TSB performed and has dual nose badges and horsies sprinkled about, or it has all Dino as it could have left the factory if it is an earlier car, or it has all Ferrari badges as it could have left the factory if it is a later car.
     
  22. PSk

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    If I owned a GT4, I'd search long and hard for all the Dino badges and install them. Surely a rare thing to have a Dino GT4 as originally intended!! :)
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