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  1. Albert-LP

    Albert-LP F1 Veteran
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    Hi everybody, I'm a rookie in this section. I would like to have your help to find (more or less) the correct price for a 2008 F430 standard that has been upgraded to Scuderia. The car has carboceramic brakes and full carbon options (inside, outside, mirrors, steering wheel). It has F430 standard rims (not the scuderia ones), black Daytona seats with red stitching and all the Scuderia electronic updgrades (gearbox second ECU and so on), one owner and 9000 miles. It works, sounds and is as fast as the Scuderia.

    Here an excellent low miles car like that costs 100-110 K Euro if F430 and 200 K Euro if Scuderia.

    Whis is in your opinion the correct price positioning between the two values?

    Thank you very much

    ciao
     
  2. Russell996

    Russell996 Formula 3

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    I'm not clear what is upgraded to Scud spec from your post if anything? Carbon items such as wing mirrors were an option on all F430's. CCM's will be standard F430 version since they are fitted with stock wheels. Scud gearbox is a complete hardware change not just an ECU, as is the engine.
    It will be worth stock 100-110 k Euro if that is the value of an F430 with these options.
     
  3. Carrerarsr

    Carrerarsr Formula Junior

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    Double Gearbox ?
    The Scuderia Gearbox is not smooth, at least mine.
     
  4. redduke

    redduke Karting

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    I'd venture to say nothing about that car is Scuderia specification.
     
  5. Albert-LP

    Albert-LP F1 Veteran
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    Ok thanks. So the correct price could be 110 k euro?

    Ciao
     
  6. roma1280

    roma1280 F1 Rookie
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    I think the conservative answer is the value of a regular 430 less the cost of converting your car back to original spec.
     
  7. Albert-LP

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    The car is not mine and I'm just evaluating the purchase. I wouldn't convert it back as this way works great and everyone here is saying the car is just a standard F430 full optional, so unless an ECU, it's an OEM car.

    So, what's that car worth? It' the first time I evaluate an F430 purchase so I do not know anything about prices. I'm very glad to learn the car is original unless that improvement in the gearbox ECU (that I will learn what it is exactly very soon). The owner is an old friend of mine so we are trying to evaluate the car.

    Thank you very much

    ciao
     
  8. martiy1971

    martiy1971 Formula Junior

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    Looks like an ordinary F430 with one or two scud carbon bits to me. Should be regular market price. perhaps a bit more due to the extra carbon goodies.
     
  9. MaranelloDave

    MaranelloDave Formula 3

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    Have to agree that this car has not been "converted" into a scud. As others have mentioned, there are many differences between the F430 and the scud, more than the items you mentioned.

    As for value, Ferrari buyers value originality. A heavily modded car may actually sell for less than the price of a bone stock car, regardless of how much money was spent modding it. I think you're better off buying a regular F430, or a real scud, both in terms of purchase price and resale.
     
  10. Albert-LP

    Albert-LP F1 Veteran
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    Maybe my english is not correct: It looks i cannot explain how that car is.

    I will do by myself.

    Thank you all

    ciao
     
  11. F430giallomodena

    F430giallomodena Formula Junior

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    You cannot get 60 ms shifts from a F430 gearbox, the actuator is different, the gearbox architecture itself is based on an old scheme, I cannot figure out how you could do it...

    There is a software upgrade (aftermarket) and I know some specialist in Italy offer it, but you get close to 100-120 ms, impossible to reach Superfast 2 gearbox shift-times
     
  12. ShineKen

    ShineKen F1 World Champ
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    This car has cf steering wheel, ac vent covers, and cf rear grille panel. Cf brakes as well. This is definitely a higher optioned 430.
     
  13. galt

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    I would actually be a bit concerned about this car if it is running scuderia gearbox software with the f430 gearbox hardware. I would have to think the hardware differences are necessary to handle the software changes. I think it is unlikely that the reliability risk is worth it unless you are getting the car at a large enough discount to put it back to stock. If you go forward I would make sure to get someone very knowledgeable on Scuderia and f430 transmissions give you an opinion.

    That knowledgeable person is probably not the seller given what it sounds like he has told you so far.

    On a side note I think money spent instead on putting the lighter wheels w/titanium bolts, a full Capristo system and the racing seats in a regular f430 would be way closer to a scud then what this guy has done. Also if you change the battery for a lightweight lithium ion battery that would be even better. This way you get something lightweight and a good increase in power with no reliability risks in the expensive transmission.
     
  14. f355spider

    f355spider F1 World Champ
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    +1. This appears to be a very well optioned, standard F430. IF, there were software changes you would need documentation to them, and a second opinion from a specialist whether they are legitimate and worthwhile changes. I would advise buying a stock Ferrari with no modifications, especially for a first time purchase.
     
  15. singletrack

    singletrack F1 Veteran

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    Just has a few bits of carbon. Neither front bumper nor rear bumper/diffuser are converted. You are talking tens of thousands USD just to do that. Then you have the fact that the scud engine is blueprinted, different exhaust, bigger front CF rotors, carbon side sills, carbon seats, different floor, etc.

    I would say if you value the changes, then perhaps it is worth slightly above market value for an F430. But as others mentioned, modifications can actually be used as a bargaining chip to lower prices.

    Regardless of what you do, make sure you understand exactly what has been changed.

    Good luck!
     
  16. Quilty

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    Cars that have been altered from how they emerged from the factory are usually worth less than cars that are all original.
     
  17. Loz997S

    Loz997S Formula Junior

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    Most of us don't know the Italian market but according to your comment

    "Here an excellent low miles car like that costs 100-110 K Euro if F430 and 200 K Euro if Scuderia"

    I'd say the car is worth EU100-110k as it's NOTHING close to a Scud.
     

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