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Cyclists are the bane of the planet

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  1. kverges

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    I am with Abed; what is the problem here? Unless the laws do not permit 2 abreast, please advise of any unlawful thing this group is doing. And the duration of the video is about 1 minute, albeit edited down. The delay to the driver was likely a few minutes, at most. So the riders deserve injury? Frankly, the driver looked to be getting excessively close and seemed to cut off the straggling rider, too.

    No matter how annoying the cyclist, drivers should recognize that they are handling a deadly weapon when in proximity and act accordingly. I don't think deadly force is ever warranted for even the most obnoxious behavior.
     
  2. NeuroBeaker

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    I think you meant to quote the other video. The video I posted showed a group of cyclists ignoring red lights and the videographer, a fellow cyclist, chastised them for it.

    All the best,
    Andrew.
     
  3. nicholasn

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    Probably all of the cyclists who act like this have already had their license revoked, are mad about it, and insist on taking their anger out on motorists.

    Fortunately here in NC we don't have too many of those people. Most of the cyclists here are just trying to get to where they're going, but there aren't any bike lanes where I live so they're forced to use the road. Fortunately they stay to the side and at least keep a decent pace (usually about 30-35 mph), so I don't have much beef against them. But the ones we do have are the kind of people who ride around on the interstate with a bunch of grocery bags on the handlebars : /
     
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  5. rob lay

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    I think cyclist in the wrong IF that is bike path free of slower moving traffic (walkers, runners, and slow bikes) and intersections cars don't pull out in path to look before getting on roadway. This cyclist is going downhill, so likely going 35-40+ MPH and that is a no passing road, so car isn't allowed to pass anyway.
     
  6. boxerman

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    I always thought that a leading cause of accidents was speed differential, mix byscicles with cars and its a toxix mix of speed differential. . Its my experience that when Cyclists "discover " an area or road they increasingly decend on it like swarms of locusts. the invitable result is accidents, lowering of speed limits to dumb it all down.

    What were once great roads to excercise cars become low speed meanders.

    One road which is even two lanes in each direction is now so clogged with cyclists that even though its marked 50mph if you go through a bend at 50 odds are you will hit a gaggle of 3 abreast cyclists.

    In the end its all part of the anti car culture lib acceptable excercise regime. The fact is roads are for motor vehicles, thats why pedestrians are taught to look both ways before crossing. As we dumb down speeds and roads "other"users who are guests dont bother to even pay attention to the basics. A bycikle is like a faster pedestrian which does not even follow basic rules of the road as apply to cars.

    My CFO who rides to work everyday was outraged to get a ticket from the nypd while on bike, good job I say and lets have more of it.
     
  7. rob lay

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    most roads where cyclists ride here used heavily by farm machinery. 5 mph and taking up enough road you can't even pass until it gets to the field 3 miles down the road and motorists don't get mad or impatient? there is something psychological about fat out of shape people in a car having extra vitriol for cyclists that have the leisure time and actually work out. :D out of shape people are grouchy by nature.
     
  8. TRScotty

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    This happened on our ride this week on Tuesday:
    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLDhqkYLiRs[/ame]

    I was behind the rider with the GoPro on his helmet.
    As you can see, we were all single-file and as far to the right as we could get.
    It's a miracle they didn't hit the rider in front.

    After the video was posted on Facebook our local sheriff asked that we report this incident to the DPS and his investigators.

    Sickening and scary to know I was right there when this happened.
     
  9. rob lay

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    Wow! I have 10k miles on the road or so and don't think I ever had someone buzz me THAT close. I have been buzzed, yelled at, and had stuff thrown at. that might be as close as you can get without being hit. honest, people that do that should be convicted attempted murder, but that would never happen. :(
     
  10. FerRrari

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    Stupid really. The bent up anger that drivers are forming due to the prevalence of bad apples amongst the cycling community is worrisome. Rather than dividing amongst cyclist vs. drivers, we should be uniting against bad drivers/cyclists and educate them in the proper ways of sharing the road.

    One of the problems I see is that pro-bike sites and organizations are practicing and encouraging anti-car/confrontational dogma which won't end-up well for either side. Learn to get along people, it's not kinder-garden anymore.
     
  11. TRScotty

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    It's crazy.

    We usually don't have any problems, but it only takes one like this to really make you consider the possibilities.

    I think the sheriff is serious and has reached out to us to let his deputies know our weekly routes so they can patrol those areas when we are on the road. The local Texas DPS office was quite interested and are actively investigating the recording to pull plate numbers, etc.

    Will be interesting for us to see if anything comes of it.
     
  12. TRScotty

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    I agree, and we in Texas see this more in larger cities like Houston, Austin and Dallas.

    I have colleagues that live and work in Houston and they complain to me about cyclists all the time.
     
  13. ferraripete

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    this...I bet he is hauling the mail!!!!
     
  14. ferraripete

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    I cannot tell you how many times this has happened to me...I promise that if I ever was fortunate to catch up with the ******* driver...I would beat 100% of his azz. seeing that video clip makes me crazy. the driver nearly killed the rider!!!!!
     
  15. rob lay

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    there have been so many cases of cyclists beating the crap out of a motorist and then the cyclists being convicted of something. I bet most of them would say it was worth it. :)

    I was racing the Hotter N Hell 100 years ago and half way through with complete police support and road blocks a mad farmer about ran us down on purpose. Of course the cops were right there and pulled him over ahead. When we came by cop had him out of the car and everyone started heckling him. I was so tempted 30 MPH strong to just ram that guy with the cop standing right there. You try to kill us, I will try to HURT you.
     
  16. TRScotty

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    I was considering the HH100 this year, but may be too late to get registered or in a hotel.
     
  17. ferraripete

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    rob, I have certainly been there too. I have story where I was assaulted by a suv and when they came at me the second time and tried to squeeze me into the curb...I kicked out of my pedals and put a time cleat well into their door. yes of course I was cited for the aggression and asked to contribute $1400 bucks plus my $400 bucks for atty to fix their door.

    it was effen worth it!!!!!
     
  18. rob lay

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    the problem with carrying a handgun riding is you have to place it correctly or it can mess you up in a bad fall. most would put it in the little back cycling jersey pocket, but that's worst place being close to spine. shouldn't put anything hard back there.
     
  19. TRScotty

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    One of the guys I ride with carries a Ruger LCP in a pocket of his CamelBack pack.

    I think it's pretty safe the way he has it, but beyond hurting you if it were in your jersey pocket in a fall, the gun itself would rust away from the sweat.
     
  20. NeuroBeaker

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    Horrible. The driver was a jackass. Glad you weren't hit.

    All the best,
    Andrew.
     
  21. fatbillybob

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    Wow! Better stay in Charlotte. People have been killed for less in SoCal. Road rage here people use guns. The problem is not cyclists or cars. The problem is too many of both and too little road. Both sides are so arrogant they think they have sole rights to it. A cyclist or driver being boneheads deserve what they both get.
     
  22. Skyler

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    There is nothing wrong with riding 2 side by side. I had posted my encounters with cyclists riding 3-4 side by side, effectively taking up the entire lane, on rural roads in my area with blind corners. If you disagree with me with this being selfish/rude behaviour, we will simply have to agree to disagree.
     
  23. rob lay

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    ok, not to argue, but to think about. if cyclist 1 or 2 wide still requires you to have a clear passing lane (no oncoming traffic), what difference does 3-4 wide make?

    the major problem as evidenced by Scotty's video is cars don't give enough room passing even when single file. you can not make a safe pass of a single file cyclist staying completely in the lane.
     
  24. fatbillybob

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    To point 1 as a racer you know you want to be predictable. If drivers coming around a blind corner don't expect a nearly stationary pack of bikes, the bike might have legal right but they will die anyway. So when are cyclists going to wake up and chose not to win the darwin award? Making more pro bike laws does not make bikes safer.

    To point 2 as a former cyclist I choose where I rode to lower my risk. If we all know there are hazards why ride on a road barely wide enough for a car? Again legally right but just as dead if things go bad. If there is one good road to ride there are two or more close by. Choose the ones that lower your risk and increase your enjoyment. It is not fun for cyclists to feel the presence of a closely following SUV now texting on his phone because the bike is so slow the driver thinks he now can multi-task!
     
  25. Etcetera

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    I used to carry my .357 in a zippered nylon pouch in the front of the A frame near the gooseneck.
     

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