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308 Assembly Sequence Numbers

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  1. piezo

    piezo Formula 3

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    I'm surprise that only one 308 RHD QV (mine) on the list.
     
  2. godabitibi

    godabitibi F1 Veteran

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    I thought I gave you mine but don't see it in the list.

    1977 LHD/USA
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    22063
    427A
     
  3. PDB

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    Where is the number on a GT4?

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  4. 19055

    19055 Formula Junior

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    My #19055 , euro spec dry sump, assembly # 3 (! :) )
     
  5. Bullittm3

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    1985 US/LHD GTB QV
    #58215
    May 85
    Assembly #39
     
  6. Martin308GTB

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    Hello from Germany,

    I just tried to read the whole thread, but I am overwhelmed with informations.
    My basic question: Who got the idea, that these are assembly numbers? I cannot see any logic behind the number sequence and think, that these stamped numbers are just some identification code from the frame maker. Like I know it from a machine frame maker, who stamps numbers into his parts for company internal use.
    The VIN is enough assembly number, I think. Why should a company bother about completely unnecessary non-corresponding codes?
    Does anyone have an official statement from Ferrari, what these numbers mean?
    Sorry for questioning this thing, but the more I think about it, the weirder it gets.
    What do you think?

    Best Regards
    Martin
     
  7. robertgarven

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    There is no doubt they were numbers used in aligning parts that fit on a certain car, I found them literally everywhere on my car once I saw the first one!. The easiest place to look on a GT4 is on the front headlight frame
     
  8. dflett

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    I have always figured that the assembly number was used/allocated by Scaglietti when the body was built, before Ferrari allocated a serial number in final production.
     
  9. robertgarven

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    That makes sense
     
  10. piezo

    piezo Formula 3

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    See post #132 as quoted above.

    But it seems not the entire answer. Somewhere in the previous posts in this thread it was suggested that some assembly no. could be out of the order as there could be particular issues with a particular car that caused it to be held up and eventually left the factory after those with much later cars. As the chassis number was stamped last, you will see that some cars with later chassis number is having an much earlier assembly number compare with others.

    I believe there could be others and this thread is trying to gather more info for us to test our theories empirically 😊
     
  11. 19055

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    I think the combination #19055 and # 3 of my car (delivered to it's first Italian owner on the 2'th of april, 1976) is an example of that ! Though #19055 is a rather early chassis number, it's not a "logical" combination to the assembly number 3. Nevertheless I find the number "3" on the several places one can find the assembly number (oil cooler bracket, front hood under the black layer of paint, inside of the door panels) quite cool ! Either numbered by Scaglietti or the factory, I find the thought of my car beïng built on the third chassis very thrilling.

    So far, my effords to shine some more light on the relation between chassis-, assembly-, engine- and gearbox number of my car only led to the confirmation that the engine and gearbox currently in the car were the original factory fitted ones, any questions about the combi 19055 and 3 were either ignored and/or not answered by the factory and dealer. Fchatter Alberto tried to get some information from the local manufacturer of the chassis, (which was at the time new to me, I didn't know Ferrari bought the chassis elsewhere, thought they made them theirselves) but they were, if I remember correctly, not permitted to give any information whatsoever.
     
  12. 19055

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    Sure. Engine number is 107, gearbox number is 109. So, any other Vetro owner has the assembly number 3 ? :)

    I haven't found a more informative list than the one on Robert's site:

    308 GTB Serial Numbers
     
  13. kare

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    #463 kare, Aug 20, 2015
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    Deleted my previous message as I came to think that if assembly number was issued before serial number - very well possible - then it is also possible that your body assembly may have been put aside... maybe to serve as an assembly reference, or displayed somewhere as a half finished product for a while.

    PS. your engine number aligns well with the serial number and the completion time of your car.

    PS2. have you compared your car to similar ones looking for differences? Early examples sometimes contain features that were either deleted or redesigned (simplified) as soon as the procudion really started. This might help to confirm that it either is or isn't such an early body as the assembly number suggests!
     
  14. Matthias Urban

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    The Serial Number has nothing to do with the built order, the built order is represented by the assembly number only. Until mid-1989 assembly numbers chain where kept within certain models (i.e. a 308 can have the same assembly number as a 328). Starting with the 348 and Mondial the assembly number was no longer model specific but represented whatever the Factory built on their chains - in the order as the cars have been produced.
     
  15. Matthias Urban

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    #465 Matthias Urban, Aug 20, 2015
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    The assembly number on a 308 is located on the kink that the frame makes in the engine bay behind the driver's seat. Very often it is covered by finish paint. If #3 is wide spread and written on doors and parts this may be the body number.
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  16. godabitibi

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    On early cars it is on coil bracket.
     
  17. kare

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    A lot of disinfo.

    Let's just keep to collecting the numbers and we'll see what we get.
     
  18. FRIPS

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    Adding my car to the list:

    308 GTB US/LHD 1976

    20621-STEEL 12/76 #288A
     
  19. nerofer

    nerofer F1 World Champ

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    Yes Martin: Ferrari has answered the question from an F-Chatter saying it is the Assembly Number. Basically there is one sequence of continuous numbers for each market model (i.e, Euros have one, USA have one (usually with "A" for America after the number), UK RHD have one, and Australia have one ("AU"), and this for GTBs and for GTSs.
    The numbers come from Ferrari indeed, not from Vacari & Bosi (the frame manufacturer).

    Rgds
     
  20. 2281GT

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    Not only specific for a model and a market but also for a Production year
    F.E. a 308 GTS EU carb can have the no. 100 three Times (1978,79,80)


    Best wishes
    Markus
     
  21. Furanku

    Furanku Formula Junior

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    Yes, but this is not true for the beginning of production, there was no reset between 1975 and 1976, nor between 1976 and 1977.
     
  22. Luigient

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    328 GTS EU/RHD
    ZFFWA20C000077132 05/88 #313
     
  23. Bullittm3

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    Can someone please show me where the number is on a 328? I could not find it on mine. Thank you very much.
     
  24. Luigient

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    #474 Luigient, Aug 22, 2015
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    Bullittm3, engine compartment left side, on the inside edge of the top rail just forward of the expansion tank. Mine had a bit of tape over it (had come off a few years ago)
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  25. Brian Harper

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    #475 Brian Harper, Aug 22, 2015
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