Mclaren claim a Spa engine update will put their engine on par with Ferrari

McLaren are record breakers! The most grid spot penalties in the history of the sport! They should be very proud... Wonder if Honda PR will include that in their next promo article???

 

This situation underlines the absurdity of the penalty system where those trying to catch up are unfairly punished.

I think the spectators are robbed by that system.

As for McLaren and Honda, in these circumstances, they may as well throw away the rule book, develop their PU as they see fit regardless and get ready for the next season.

 

I think they've arrived at the same conclusion.

One could argue that they're making a mockery of the rules..... I'm not saying they are, but obviously the remainder of this season is a pure test session that *none* of the others are allowed......

Cheers,
Ian

 

I bought a Honda boat anchor last week.

I had to return it because it took too long to reach bottom.

 

The power of dreams....

 

If McLaren are turning the rules into derision, good job.

Any law should be challenged if it's absurd, and no law lasts for ever.

Maybe others (non-Mercedes) should follow and see what the FIA will do.

Maybe a strike is necessary. Let's see if Bernie would like that !

 

damn the hilarious 1-liners just keep coming hahahahahaha this is the hardest i've laughed from reading the F1 section ever.

 

Who wanna wager Fred will walk next season?

 

He won't walk in 2016. Nowhere to go, really. Especially with Kimi staying at Ferrari. But, unless McLaren start getting on the podium by mid-season, he will walk. Maybe Mercedes, or perhaps Red Bull/New Renault.

 

im thinking Porsche Le Mans actually.

 

If next years McLaren is as bad as this years car has been then there is no guarantee whatsoever that he won't simply bail out on them!

Don't forget, he's already laid the foundations of an F1 exit by talking about how would be interested in trying other forms of motorsport.

This year is the first year he's made such a suggestion and I suspect it's because he's becoming disillusioned at McLaren.

As for:

As I have asked in another thread currently running:

So is it your opinion that all of the teams should be free to flout the rules and regulations that they don't like or don't suit their situation without penalty? - How is that supposed to work?

 

Well, we may disagree on Kimi, but you sure called this one. Neither car makes it past Q1....hahahahahaha What a joke.

 

Honda are geniuses for predicting that Ferrari would downgrade their engines for spa...

 

This was their worst quali since spain compared to the leaders.


So erm...what was the update then?

 

Changes won't happen without a rebellion.

McLaren should lead the fight against stupid rules, that also involve the Renault teams.
A stand off should be made against the token system, the ban on testing and other restrictions.

Ecclestone knows all about the power of striking in F1; he himself led some constructors rebellions in the past. If his income is threatened, and some teams or sponsors threaten to quit, he will make sure something is done!

What McLaren and other team should ask is for a complete deregulation of F1.

As for the lame excuse "But they agreed to it, they even signed!", let me tell you that before the start of any revolution, everyboby seems on surface to agree with the status quo. Then, the revolution explodes !!!

 

McLaren isn't flouting the rules which have been re-written.



"McLaren handed 105-place grid penalty


McLaren handed 105-place grid penalty | Formula 1 news | Motorsport.com

Up until the Austrian GP, such a large penalty would have resulted in the need for pitlane penalties in the race, but teams agreed earlier this year to leave the maximum penalty as demotion to the back of the grid. "



McLaren is just exploiting a loophole in the rules, which has been opened by the teams, probably when they realised the heresy of the token system.

But please, tell us your view about an "appropriate" punishment for falling behing in technical development.

 

McLaren/Honda aren't just "exploiting a loophole in the rules", they're blatantly taking the p:censored:ss!

Every other Team/manufacturer has managed to adhere to the rules and regulations so why should McLaren?Honda be exempt?

Why should they be allowed to fit a new engine for ever race? Because they're "falling behind in technical development? Well that's just tough s:censored:t! - They should have done a better job as the others did!

My view about an "appropriate" punishment for falling behind in technical development?:

Either revert back to the grid penalties + drive through penalties, or give them a time penalty for every grid position that they have been punished by, and they have to sit in their garage for that amount of time before they are allowed to leave their garage, after the rest of the grid has cleared the pit-lane exit.

As far as I'm concerned, if you get a 50 place penalty for failing to comply with the rules and regulations then it should mean something and there should be a real penalty to pay rather than the half-arsed, token gesture penalty that is now being applied!

At the end of the day, McLaren chose to go with Honda, and between them they have made a complete b:censored:lls up of this season, so why shouldn't they pay the price?

How is it fair that the likes of Mercedes/Ferrari/Red Bull etc., make an effort to adhere to the rules and regulations but McLaren no longer have to bother?

 

A) They can fit a new engine at each racee because they accept the penalties for it.


B) The view of the FIA, explained to other teams, was to be lenient with a competitor who fall behind in development, rather than driving him out of F1 by too harsh punishment.

Giving endless grid penalties to McLaren, added to drive-through penalties and detention in their pits would surely result in drastic moves by the team. Would that serve the sport? would that please the paying spectators?

After all, F1 is at the risk of loosing teams and don't need to show them the door.
It's run as a business, remember.

It's a pity that you cannot understand that those unfair rules could even one day affect Ferrari - the love of your lofe - should they fall behind technically too.
Nobody is sheltered from that risk.

 

The changes in penalty rules doesn't take anything away from those teams; they are already ahead of Honda in engine development.


So, instead of McLaren finishing last at 2 laps, you would like them to be 5 laps back to satisfy your principles?

 

McHonda have been handed out all kinds of favours this year. I really have no sympathy for them, they should at least have been given some monetary fines over these penalty places. What if next year they dominate thanks to all this year's concessions and free testing time and components?

 

I get the feeling that monetary fines would just drive Honda out of F1. They already can't find their ass with either hand and aren't in contention for the championship. Scoring any points at all on any weekend is treated as an equivalent achievement to a race win for them and it primarily depends not on pace but on whether sufficient cars ahead of them crash or retire. I would be astonished if they were consistently getting out of Q1 by the end of the year. So far, relative to the other competitors, it's almost as if they've made no progress at all.

I really don't see how there's any controversy over penalty places for a backmarker team that's wholly irrelevant to the championship and only really racing Marrussia and themselves.

I miss the days when Ferrari and McLaren were fighting each other for championships. Good races.

All the best,
Andrew.

 

BAHAAAAHAAAAHAAAAAA!

Alonso sucked today in Quali. Almost 2 seconds off being put into Q2!

I just love it when the PR guys have to eat crow.

 

Doubt it considered how much money they're already wasting just keeping McLarens running with 2 WC drivers.
It's just not fair that they introduced two new engines for each driver as I understand it, and got no more punishment then if they introduced only one each. IMO they should be made to carry over all the penalties through the next races or the new season if that's not enough.

 

In not so many word, you wish them to be excluded from F1.


If they are behind, and are punished too harshly because they are trying to catch up, to the extend that their next season is already in jeopardy, you may as well decide to ban them !!

But I though the FIA was trying to have MORE teams, not less!


These are just plain silly rules nobody should respect; but I am surprised so many teams accepted them in the first place.

 

Imo the rules should prevent a team from just giving up on the current year and use it as testing for the next one. Especially if they have enough resources to be able to then dominate.