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1985 400i Auto on eBay

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  1. Ramboy

    Ramboy Formula Junior

    Aug 6, 2009
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    David Ramm
    That's it, thanks John, my 412 is now parked a couple of miles away from where I live so I wouldn't have replied any time soon...
     
  2. Augie'sPal

    Augie'sPal Formula Junior

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    #27 Augie'sPal, Aug 19, 2015
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    John, just what I needed, including the verbal description--thanks. Also, looking closer, one can see your actual chassis no. stamp in that picture, looks like.

    Wil
     
  3. Augie'sPal

    Augie'sPal Formula Junior

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    #28 Augie'sPal, Aug 20, 2015
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    The simple form of this question is: this car apparently has screwed up tags. What's going on? Again, this is the eBay car in question: Ferrari Other GT | eBay

    For further brain twisting, read on. The frame stamp appears to be accurate, as it should. *ZFFEB06BC* 00052??? (is it 657?) to my eye (see photo); an Italy, Ferrari, Fuel-injected 400 V12, 3-point belts, 400i Auto, Euro LHD. Letters/digits 1 thru 8. After that, until we get to the 11th thru 17th digits (produced in Maranello, Italy and car Serial Number), I don't know what's going on. I.e., letters/digits 9 & 10, the 'Check Number', and YoM, or whatever they are, aren't making sense.

    The engine bay tag appears to be in error, but looks authentic to my unschooled eye. The windscreen tag (that's the best photo he could take) agrees with the engine bay tag, but looks amateurishly done. Only letters/digits 8 & 9 of both tags disagree with the frame stamp.

    The owner is trying to find out what's going on with the provenance of his car. He said: “VIN ZFFEB06C000052037 is clearly found on the two tags while VIN ZFFEB06BC00052037 or VIN ZFFEB06B000052037 is found on the frame as best that I can tell.
    I am hoping you can make sense of all this.
    Thank you again.”

    I can make out the Euro LHD 'B' in the frame stamp (right after the '06'), and the 'C' after said 'B', then the star (photo). What's with letters/digits numbers 8, 9, & 10 on the engine bay and windscreen tags?

    I hope I got this all right, it's twisting my brain, tired of it. Promised to help the guy, have a new-found respect for Marcel Massini.
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  4. Ramboy

    Ramboy Formula Junior

    Aug 6, 2009
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    David Ramm
    Interesting!
    One question that comes to mind is whether it really is a "C" after "B" on the chassis stamp, or whether it is a "0" as it should be.
    I will try to contact Ferrari and ask for the original spec of 52037 but can't guarantee a response without promising $$ - but will try.
    What would also help would be to find the engine number, I have the engine numbers for #51775 and #52531 so have a good idea what it should be. There were only a dozen or so 400s produced within the serial number range 51775-52531.
    I know what you will ask next, but no I don't know where the engine number stamp is located unfortunately.
    David
     
  5. wrxmike

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    Try In the valley between the heads, towards the back of the motor, not near the oil filters.
    M
     
  6. wrxmike

    wrxmike Moderator
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    The check digit and Year of manufacture is only found in certain markets, eg USA. The rest of the world uses '0". As this is a euro car, there should be no check digit or year of manufacture.

    M
     
  7. Ramboy

    Ramboy Formula Junior

    Aug 6, 2009
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    Have been liaising with some experts, it's apparently not unheard of that the factory make mistakes, so it could be that the factory worker picked up a RHD VIN plate instead of LHD..
    I think the engine number should be somewhere close to 1190 (in the range of say 1180 -1210) at the end.
     
  8. CornellCars

    CornellCars Formula 3

    Mar 24, 2005
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    I'm aware of at least one 90's era Ferrari where the factory used a Canadian steering column tag on a US car, where only the column tag failed to match the rest of the stamps, and where the correct VIN could be verified with the check digit (Canadian column number caused check digit error, US chassis and door plate had check digit that calculated correctly) so it's definitely happened in the past.
     
  9. TheDevil

    TheDevil Karting

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    On the frame I read the stamped VIN as: *ZFFEB06B0**00052037*.

    So, the factory chassis-plate appears wrong, as is the windscreen-plate which was copied from the chassis-plate and not from the stamped VIN.
     
  10. Augie'sPal

    Augie'sPal Formula Junior

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    David, thanks for volunteering to do that. David & fellow F-Chatters, rather than relaying our speculation and advice to him, I will see if the owner is willing to start communicating directly with us, it would be much more efficient.

     
  11. Ramboy

    Ramboy Formula Junior

    Aug 6, 2009
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    The Ferrari archives have confirmed that 52037 was originally black with black interior. It is marked as having been exported to the US. Engine number is 1192, in the range I suspected. So I think we can conclude that nothing is strange about this car, and that as speculated previously perhaps someone at the factory stamped a RHD market VIN plate by mistake.

    David
     
  12. Augie'sPal

    Augie'sPal Formula Junior

    Jun 23, 2009
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    So, both ID Plates for this car are incorrect, the frame stamp is correct. The owner has apparently broken contact or is away somewhere. I'll let him know.

    His $25k no-reserve auction continues with no bids, 10hrs. left. If it's a no rust, good runner, would be a good 1st Ferrari for someone.
     
  13. bundas

    bundas F1 Veteran
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    Dec 31, 2005
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    Priced at the market top.
     
  14. mikemain

    mikemain Rookie

    Mar 15, 2010
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    I just bought this car. Goes to Germany. Will be restaured and showed to the F400club then.
     
  15. Il Tifoso

    Il Tifoso Formula 3
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    Oct 22, 2013
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    Congrats! Please share the restoration pics!

    Cheers!

    Ruben
     
  16. Part Time

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    #41 Part Time, Aug 25, 2015
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    Welcome aboard, Michael.....and congratulations! The owners of 1985 model 400i's is a small group, 14 total production, 3 manual transmission and 11 automatics. There is a ton of information on these pages, read it all.......and enjoy your Ferrari !!

    Gary

    1985 400i a/t 12k miles
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