2015 FORMULA 1 SHELL BELGIAN GRAND PRIX: RACE *** SPOILERS ***

When an engine fails at high speed there is a sudden decel and at times loss of control. As dangerous potentially as a tire and lets include fluids on the track. No one runs to the camera and acts like a child then. The whole tire issue is just part of racing. The key is what caused it all and what is being changed to prevent it. Ferrari made a strategy call and a tire ended it. A driver error could have done the same. Its racing lol!

 

The only problem, as I see it, is that some people are pointing at an error by Ferrari and/or their strategy.

Regardless of whether or not Vettel has overreacted, his point in what I just posted is that Ferrari's strategy was fine...and would have netted 3rd if the tyre hadn't failed AND it didn't fail due to anything that Ferrari did wrong.

 

It's irrelevant anyway, Vettel was venting frustration at the failure of the tyre to last it's predicted max of 40 laps, and he was only 66% of the way in, with no perceptible loss of grip. I don't really see the point in continuing to knock the guy about his reaction, it's done, it was four days ago.

Let's hope Pirelli can now explain what exactly happened, and move on, hopefully with improved tyres or at least a more precise level of guidance from Pirelli on how long they might last, being 33% out isn't good enough...... I would like to think that it isn't the norm

 

All strategy is 'fine' until the flag drops lol. I have zero issues with whatever they feel like doing. We dont know the facts at all. Ferrari are always defensive and thats nothing new. Brundle called it quite well in the link I posted. Their strategy defied common sense in his eyes. Im sure Vettel will correct him as well lol

 

Ferrari and Pirelli are meeting. I hope we get some factual read out.

 

Any chance it could be the new titaniun underplates bottoming out and getting shards in the tyres at spa?

 

Seb was right to speak, it was his life on the line, everybody complain about driver being robots and P.R units...i like when a guy is pissed (and rightly so) and speaks his heart. SEb had every right to feel frustrated about Pirelli, and he expressed it, nothing wrong with it.

 

Force India´s Andy Green:

“If Vettel’s tyres had been worn out, he’d have come into the pits. As soon as the rubber is worn below 30% the lap times go up by two to three seconds and tyre temperatures drop from 140°C to 110°C. You’re driving on ice in that case, you won’t even get anywhere near critical wear. Your team would call you in long before that happens.”

(Quote from here: Teams contradict Pirelli | thejudge13)

In the end, I think that Vettel´s tyre incident was, as usual, a mix of circumstances: the team going for an aggressive strategy, the stewards allowing too many off track excursions, and Pirelli having no idea of what they´re doing. Rosberg´s problem remains a mistery, so we´ll have to believe what Pirelli said about an external cut.

The biggest problem is that it sets a bad precedent and teams and Pirelli will try to avoid long stints, failing to achieve the current tyre regulations´ main target of having different strategies.

 

Wow, harsh words on pirelli from Andy there! Not unjustified, of course.

 

Lotus´ Permane said that they also had a 1 stop strategy as a plan B because Pirelli didn´t give them any warnings about tyre life.

I see a limit of laps per tyre set coming soon.

 

Pirelli asked for that some-time ago. The teams refused. Thank the FIA and one tire supplier idea.

 

So pirelli was full of ****...

 

It would be weird if teams have to come in and stop on a set of good tyres, just because the have to.

I'd give that whole thing a bit of patience and let them investigate what happened/damaged the tyre. It might have been a one-time occurance.

It was a scary event but it's not like tyres have been blowing up all over the place. Barbie seems to have driven over something and even if not, two incidences don't make a statistic...

 

Pirelli fits right into the current F1 culture. LOL

 

Eddie Jordan:

“Sebastian needs to think before he publicly attacks a global company like Pirelli.”

“Vettel wanted to stay in the title fight at any cost,” he told Sport Bild. “That’s why with Ferrari he took such a big risk.

“And that’s why Sebastian was so disappointed. At 67 points behind, he can now forget about the title,” added Jordan.


I guess Jordan is another idiot that knows nothing. Maybe he is a Hamilton fanboy. He is just saying these things because he doesn't like Vettel....LOL

 

Yes it does, they messed up real good and the whole thing is falling on them....they are getting as ridiculous as Honda.....

 

No they asked the teams for a limit and they said no. Documented. This is an FIA problem and somewhat the teams issue as well. Welcome to the great idea of 1 tire supplier. A larger problem for F1 it is. Pirelli built the tires as specified and demanded to 'make the show better'. Why anyone would want the job is beyond me under the current scheme. In the larger scheme its pathetic. Should the tires fail. No. Engines do as well and are dangerous as i posted. What would you choose. Its a series in need of direction and a dose of reality. Fans are leaving no matter what Pirelli do. Now today Bernie is complaining of Merc domination lol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

The problem is not different opinions, the problem is that the likes of you that are intolerant towards different views.

Eddie can say what he wants and I can look at it and see if there's valuable information in there, helping me build my own. If I feel I have a different view I claim of myself to be free to move on.

 

I would say that more than often Eddie is an idiot.....

 

So we could quote other ex-drivers, ex-team manager, ex-whatever that say different because there are obviously different opinions around, so what...You think because you have found one that agrees with you you are certainly right??? Dream on....

 

You are right. It's much more convincing to bring an article about Vettel agreeing with Ferrari strategy even though he had doubts during the race.

 

You seem to have a huge problem with Vettel, much more than most of us have with Hamilton...
And again: double standards...
When Hamilton makes a call in Monaco than it is only "feedback" and the team has to know better because of the datas, if Vettel does it is something different. Vettel said during the race that he might have concerns about the degradation to the end of the race and that he might loose time so Ferrari should take another stop into account. Ferrari said that the one-stop is faster and as the times did not drop of as much as Vettel thought Ferrari was obviously right, they were still in front of Grosjean...Vettel did not express worries about the tyre exploding at the end but that the tyre might not be fast enough so even when he had doubts during the race he can agree that his technicians were right apart from the tyres burst that was unpredictable. I do not see any contradiction in that...

 

Nope. I didn't have a problem with Vettel. I thought he drove a solid race.
I actually enjoyed him asking the team about the strategy. Unlike you, I'm not of the mindset that a driver should shut his mouth and drive. That is what you guys always say when Hamilton questions strategy.
The only thing I didn't agree with was his outburst.

 

The only thing I didn't agree with was his outburst.[/QUOTE]

Me too..he was way to soft on them....

 

What??? Another baseless assumption, where did you get that from???

No, he certainly has the right to question the strategy, nobody took that away from him...Where did you get that from???
But: he is part of the team so he has to accept the fact that the team (him included) might make mistakes that might cost him points just as they did things right from the outside that gave him some points...But you guys behave like it is him as an individual winning the races on one side but the team lossing the races on the other side as it was never his fault or the achievement of the team...At the same time you put 4 WDC of Vettel purely as the achievement of the team and nothing to Vettel, strange...

I do not ask to put Vettel above Hamilton like you do the other way round, I just ask to use the same standards judging Hamiltons race victories one does use judging Vettels in the RB and taking this as measurement Hamilton does a good faultless job (most of the time) but nothing exceptional Vettel did not do as well 4 years in a row....No more, no less...What is "hating Hamilton" of "Vettel-fanboy" in this request is beyond me...