Red Bull engines next year.

Red Bull is a team, not a person, nor Dieter Mastechitz toy. A team needs years to build and needs to be rebuilt periodically. But Red Bull wanted the tyres changed ASAP when they didn't suit them, same for engines, same for everything.

Loosing a lot between short winning streaks is the natural course of F1, and that understanding is the reason why Ferrari, McLaren or Williams have survived many years. I doubt that Red Bull will achieve the same if they don't relax a bit.

 

When you're spending 100's of millions to race a car around the track, I think there's a tendency to want and demand what you want and demand. I like that RB is rabid about winning.

I think it's a bit pathetic for Merc to decline RB PU's yet turn around and offer them to Manor simply because they pose no threat. I understand Merc's position, but I think at some point you'd want to win on what would be perceived as a level playing field. That would only elevate Lewis and Merc if they continued to win.

I think Ferrari is making Merc look rather foolish and fearful by gladly offering their engines to RB.

 

+1

Many forget that red bull has been in f1 for 20+ years. First as a sponsor then bought a team (and then another, a well loved small team that ran out of money).

They used the media to publicly shame Renault for making **** engines, no doubt after plenty of internal talks first.

Many forget that even when they won everything in the last part of the v8 stages the Renault wasn't the best engine. It was on most fronts below Ferrari and mercedes, it just wasn't amplified so much because in terms of hp, there was only 20bhp between the best and worse engine.

 

You are so wrong on this. It would prove NOTHING. You would only hear complaints that they are getting a 2nd rate engine.
Williams/Massa got very close to suggesting it. Ron Dennis said that you can't win with a customer engine. The moaners at RB would be crying about it every single day.
Why would you want to deal with that drama?
Look at how they treated Renault as soon as they stopped winning.
It would only get worse if they were finishing 2nd/3rd all the time.
Good luck to Ferrari. Maybe they can control the babies

 

I see and understand your point but I also stick by mine as well.

 

I think this is revisionist history...

Red Bull (specifically Newey) and Renault are more responsible for the current regulations than any other entity (Mosley pushed for them, too). IOW, they created the mess they are in...to complain about the situation is pointless and childish of RB. They (RB) have painted themselves into a corner and have shown a real lack of class and humility. They are acting like the stereotypical Italian team...coincidentally, the "Italian Team" (that also pushed for the current regs) didn't complain and kept their noses down until they figured it out. Last year was a house cleaning year at Ferrari, but throughout the process, they kept things fairly professional and kept the blame game to a minimum...choosing to instead focus on change. It seems to be paying off. Red Bull's tactics do not seem to have the same results.

 

+1

 

From Ferrari's perspective, my understanding was that the FIA were trying to insert 4 cylinder engines into f1, Ferrari, along with others successfully managed to get this upgraded to the 6 cylinders as they recognised that no one could take little fours seriously. I could be wrong, but that would mean Ferrari were not happy with the regulations, but they are happier than if they had had to build daft little four pots. It was a concession overall to merc and Renault, who made the claims in order to supposedly have relevance to their road car technology for marketing purposes.

I have a CLA45 AMG that I bought last month, I do hope that the turbo system is related to the F1 setup in some way, but I do know it hasn't got DRS nor KERS, while being the most powerful 2 litre engine currently on sale (or at least it was at launch, don't know if that still applies).

 

But Ferrari doesn´t sell 4 cylinder engines. They do sell V engines, they´re making V6s for Maserati and Alfa Romeo and probably they´ll use them in their own cars too in the near future. Also, 4 in-line is the most common configuration for "normal cars" and neither a Formula 1 nor a Ferrari should be a "normal car". Mercedes didn´t want the 4 cylinders either, IIRC.

Personally I agree with Ferrari and Mercedes on this, although probably under these regulations a 4 pots would be enough. IMO they should loosen them a bit, so a V6 or even a V8 engine should make more sense.

Anyway, a 4 cylinder engine also has its shortcomings: it´s taller and longer than a V6. Brabham´s ultimate fall came when they tried to overcome their 4 in-lime BMW shortcomings tilting it.

 

I think they will stay with Renault engine.

 

I remember reading a rumor a while back that Audi was to leave WEC to allow Porsche back in and in turn Audi would enter F1. RedBull Audi would be awesome IMO but as I haven't seen anything mentioned since that one random opinion piece I'd say it was baseless.

 

No sane minded manufacturer would partner up with the Red Bull egomaniacs

Maybe buy them out But partnership would be at ones own peril - F**k Red Bull

 

There is no way another engine/PU manufacturer enters F1 before the formula changes. Honda is finding out how difficult it is to build a Mercedes F1 PU after giving Mercedes a 4 year head start. I also don't see VV/Audi/Porsche signing on to a program where the engine configuration is so tightly controlled. If nothing else, as a group, these three have always been notable for their innovation.

 

This is F1 and it is the BOX! It is possible that VW/Porsche would be in F1 today if they had been allowed to use the four cylinder engine as they wanted. But, F1's governing body is a club for control freaks and frustrated engineers who can't make anything but rules.

 

Then I'm glad, as I don't want even smaller engines, they sound crap as they are, imagine a bunch of tiny whiny engines running around, it will be absolute hell