Max vs. Lewis

In two years time, with Max in an equally competitive car.
Good battle ?

 

Fingers crossed.

Hope Ferrari snatches him up sooner than later. If Max continues to drive like he does (and improve likely), the battles will be absolutely fantastic to see.

 

as much as I'd like to see Max in a Ferrari, there's a danger he'd get No.2 status. Ideal scenario would be a Merc seat for straight fights and comparison

 

Yes thats my worry too. I want him in Ferrari but I don't want Vettel to leave or have an internal rift.

 

I suspect that Kimi is keeping the seat warm for Max.

 

Max will wipe the floor with Vettel...

 

. . . or wipe him out as he did to Grosjean at Monaco. Vettel has 4 WDC's, I guess he is a just a lucky, no talent bum.

 

Much speculation here ...

Let's see Max Verstapen collect 4 WDCs first, then we can talk ...

I remember his father Jos being heralded as a prodige driver too and being snatched by Benetton, and look what happened to his career...

Vettel has a proven record to show.

Verstapen has lots of expectation on his shoulders so far...

 

No speculation but expectation, and for the other part of your comment: past results are never a garantee for future results. We saw some great examples of that in F1 over the years.

 

Max sure is fast and can probably be as fast as the best out there today. But he won't have sufficient strategic maturity for a few years. That isn't an issue today as strategic decisions have been taken out of the cockpit completely. With the reduction in pit to car radio, the drivers will have to wise up fast to strategy. Max doesn't have it because he's very new to the sport - and I have no idea whether he is bright enough to develop it. Maybe he can. Maybe he can't. Who knows. Equally, Hamilton doesn't have strategic intelligence - and I'm not sure he's capable of developing it.

 

You're just saying that to wind up the twins knowing they can't respond!

I'm certainly not his biggest fan, for sure, but I do think that's a little harsh.

Even given the best seat in the house, he is pretty damn good; certainly top 3-4 right now.

Cheers,
Ian

 

ROFL.

Based on....?

 

Too soon to tell IMHO.

 

being fast doesn't mean skilled race craft and winning...There's a lot of learning between one to the other.

 

You cannot take away Vettel's 4 titles, and it has yet to be proven that the prodige Verstapen is better than him.

So, it's very much a speculation on your part that he will "wipe the floor with Vettel".

Just like pie in the sky, it has to be seen.

Vettel has been very much underestimated because he had a very good car in a strong Red Bull team. Now, he doesn't seem to be struggling with a not-so-good car at Ferrari.

 

from Cambridge online dictionary

Speculation: guesses about something without having enough information to be certain.
Expectation: the feeling that good things are going to happen in the future.

So I guess we are both right. But I stick to the latter, just because I am a glass-is-half-full type of person

 

Call me when Max Verstapen has 4 WDCs to his name ...

 

Sure why not? I remember when no one thought this British kid could come in and challenge 2x WDC Alonso.

 

Utter BS

This forum is all over the discussions that the driver with the quickest and most reliable car will be WDC. Vettel was accomanied by second tier drivers in the other car and drove the quickest car. Simple.

Call me again when he is WDC with Ferrari. Than I might change my opinion. For now however, a guy with his very own ( R*****konen SUCKS thread) is quicker than Vettel in many occasions.

btw The guy's name is Max VerstaPPen

 

Call me again when VerstaPPen has 4 titles to his name. That cannot be before 2020!
Vettel may never be WDC again, but what he has achieved cannot be taken away, as much as you would like to dismiss his success.

What has VerstaPPen achieved so far, that I should be in awe of him, and start kissing the ground he is threading.
Just tell me !

Many WDCs won titles without much challenge from their team mate, or because of team orders. What should they do? Renounce the honour of being WDC?

And the notion that some drivers are more deserving of their title than others because they, allegedly, had less competitive team mates is also utter BS.

 

Poor VerstaPPen. He's already collecting fanboys. I suppose he might equal Hamilton on those even if he's miles away in WDCs?

 

Could well be possible. Dutch F1 viewers went up by 600 thousand (!), which is insane considering how small this country is.

I suspect the vast majority is the likes that turn the TV of as soon as he's out (based on my speaking to others around here). I've never understood this way of watching TV before and likely never will. I don't tune into cycling just because a dutchman is doing well, because cycling bores me to tears.

 

Personally, i think Max is probably a better driver than Hamilton. Hamilton has been lucky his entire career. Being at the right team/car at the right time.

So far, in a mediocre car with Mclaren, 2011 i think, or 2010, and Jense beat him overall isn't it?

 

Verstappen certainly has better overtaking ability, which is a huge treat needed to be ''a great''. Whenever Hamilton has not been in the front and had to go forwards, he's had an awful lot of tangles with others, damaging his wing (anywhere from some bits missing to entire wing destroyed) and worse. Verstappen has made a couple of contacts this year, but it's only his 2nd season of racing cars (!). For Hamilton to still make quite a few amateur mistakes even when he's been racing for so long, and especially right now when he's in by far the fastest car...there's no excuse. Hamilton showed in his first season he had no patience when overtaking, didn't time it properly, and caused accidents. Fine, first season (even the 2nd, it's all fair game), but races like Hungary have shown us he's learned absolutely nothing regarding self control or an idea of car placement.

And that, in my opinion, is why he's not a great.

Back to Max, he's certainly proven he's absolutely fantastic at overtaking. I think he somewhat lacks in single lap pace, though I'm not sure how much of this was (car) problems related on either TR driver. Race Pace he seems to have the upper hand on Sainz, as is necessary.

We'll see a lot more on him. He's still 10 years short of reaching his prime...

 

A bit of dumb comparison to come up with the 4 Vettel titels in relationship to Verstappen; Verstappen never got the chance to rival Vettel in the same era, let alone in the same car and under the same conditions during those 4 years.

This is a mechanical sport first and foremost; ask Hamilton today and during his "non Senna-esque" absence in the Vettel years.