What the heck is going on with this place

Whinge time . Lets start


1.

Replicas, based on Ferrari donors, discussions.

Last time I navigated my way to this site I had to click on www.FerrariChat.com so I assumed that I would be chatting to Ferrari enthusiasts and people that like Ferraris, and are fans of old cars especially in the Vintage section.

Here are the indisputable facts:
a. It's just a car.
b. A genuine Ferrari was destroyed to make this replica.
c. If we are talking about a 1960's Ferrari we are talking about an historic car that has survived nearly 55 years. That for any car is amazing. Heck that is older than I am.
d. Yes some were lost to period rebodies, but that was when they were near new and happens to all cars and is part of the improvement/try things process. Note very few period rebodies REPLICATED another Ferrari model.
e. Interestingly we have a category of car enthusiasts that dribble over these sorts of survivor cars.
f. Most of these cars were very much saveable and not crashed or rusted beyond feasible restoration.
g. These old cars were hand beaten out by Pininfarina/Scagletti craftsman and welded by hand in to the resulting vehicle. That should mean something to this community.
h. The replica is made for profits, ie. somebody is making money or it would not happen.
i. The replica is made by a nobody. Skilful yes but adds nothing to its collectability. Yes some are have a better reputation than others but we are not anywhere near Pinin Farina or Scagletti and never will be.
j. Yes the owner of the car can do what they please, but this is not www.OwnershipAndLegality.com

I cannot understand why so many are/were unsympathetic about GTE #2709. The correct response for ANY and ALL Ferrari enthusiasts is "what a shame" and "I wish this would not happen".

Would the posters that will not say "I wish this would not happen" take a 6" grinder to their Ferraris and cut them up? If you won't then aren't you being two faced? If you would take a grinder to your Ferrari, are you really a Ferrari enthusiast?


2.

Lewis Hamilton

At no time in this sites history, or at least since I've been a member (which is quite a long time), have we had this sort of weird situation in the F1 section where, for example, a poster could say that "Kimi is a rapist" and receive hardly a murmur (to this incorrect post), and yet the response to "I think Lewis lost a bit of time on that last lap" would cause an outrage of passionate how dare you say that about Lewis posts and go on for 20+ pages.

Again this is www.FerrariChat.com and Lewis does not even drive a Ferrari. When Michael drove for Ferrari he had his fans and his detractors, same with Alonso, etc. but at the moment it appears to be against this sites rules to talk about Lewis unless in a very positive note.

Just weird and irritating, and simply mind numbing. I don't get it and also don't get why it is allowed to continue?


3.

#0846

Why when nothing new is being discovered, is this thread allowed to continue by particularly one poster who simply will not let it go. Must be a relative of mine because it reminds me of arguments with my sisters as a child where we would argue black is white, etc. ... sigh.

The facts are simply:
a. The car that Jim has lovingly restored may or may not have a % of the original #0846 chassis. There is nothing more to it.
b. Why does this one particular poster have to prove that it has 0% of the original #0846 chassis?

I feel until the poster honestly answers b. above he should not be able to post in that thread. Heck if I was Jim I would have taken a sledge hammer to the car by now just to shut the poster up.


I just don't get it, and with 2 and 3 why it is allowed to continue?. Are we trying to compete with Facebook dribble like content?

Flame suit on
Pete

 

Rule 16.3 in the F1 section breached. PsK talked about Elton in a negative fashion.

6 Month ban.

 

It's the Internet what did you expect?

 

Nothing is as effective as bottom's-up moderation.

If you aren't alone, then other users who feel the same way should say something ... TO THE USERS 'POLLUTING' the threads.

As Moderators, we only have the mandate of ensuring compliance with the rules of the board, as established by the site owner.

That's it.

We don't decide what direction a thread takes once started, nor do we decide where it goes.

If the thread starts to suffer from a P&R rash, then we either remove the out-of-bounds posts, or in severe cases, move the thread to P&R.

But, unless the user is disruptive or trolling, we aren't going to stop someone from posting their opinion.

You said

Just because you can't understand it doesn't make it wrong... or right... or anything. You have your opinion, and you don't have the right to tell me what MY correct response is to any question. Nor do you have the right to tell anyone else what they should believe, think, espouse, or embrace.

You've been here a long time... longer than most.

In your opinion, was it "better" here 10 or 12 years ago? Or, overall, is it better now?

Mike

 

LOLOLO, i've given up trying to explain that thsi is Ferrarichat so it makes no sense for a bunch of Lewis fanboys praise theyr idol 24/7.....love Elton ? fine with me, but this is the wrong place to do it, please try PF1, that's the right place!!!
As for GTE 2709 e completly agree, it is not comparable to destroy a 50 year old historic car with a rebodie done in period.....simply because at the time it was done by artisans that worked for Ferrari, they had some originality in theyr design, they were not made in orde to copy another car.
As for 0846 ialso agree, Jim did the best he could to explain what he did and how he did it, he gave all the documents and described all the process of his own free will. If someone doen't believe him or somehow believes he lied about it, it's theyr right but enough is enough. Each one believes what he wan'ts, if someone believes JIm's car is a fake, that's his problem, he has already stated his mind, he doesn't has to keep beating on it day, after day.....Jim as already said everything he wanted to say about it, and that should be respected. believe it or not, thats for each one of us to decided, but this continuous pursuit against him and his car should not be alowed in my opinion.

 

What?

 

Translated for the good soldier:

 

LOL, it's laughable that anyone would think a majority would know about these three points he brought up.

 

Exactly.

over 10 million posts and 165,000 users...

WAY more going on here than that.

Mike

 

Yes I used to enjoy discussions in the F1 section. I hardly ever post there now because there is no discussion.

As for #0846, things were better when the certain user was banned. We might as well copy and paste old pages of the thread and re post them

But in regards to replicas, nothing has changed. Some confuse freedom of actions with enthusiasm with old cars. BTW I watched the first 5 minutes of some American hot rod/customising TV show and this guy was asked to modify some 50's Cadillac. As the car appeared to be a survivor the first thing he did was get the numbers checked because he was NOT going to do the work if it was a matching numbers survivor and worth saving! Heck I wish that guy was a Ferrari enthusiast
Pete

 

So, I'm trying to work out if you are an enthusiast......as I am not sure that the grinder is worse than the sledge hammer.

That said, your points are correct.

 

I don't think I understand your point.

My point was that those 3 areas are dropping the quality of this site. The F1 section in particular is not worth looking at any more and as much as F1 (the racing) is not as good as it used to be, I have actually been watching more races this year than last but I still can't be bothered to discuss it here, except in the Aussie section.

Lastly each replica discussion turns into a P&R type discussion about freedom of actions. This is FERRARIChat, "we" should not be supporting the destruction of any Ferrari! The replica makers probably come here to help them sleep at night and come away with the view "See even Ferrari enthusiasts support what we are doing".
Pete

 

No one is supporting the destruction of anything. Freedom is protecting the right of someone doing something you find repugnant. That is all that is going on in that particular case but I also understand different cultures view that differently. Here we protect the right of the KKK to exist and demonstrate. I'd like to wipe them from the face of the earth but my belief that our rights supersede my feeling on the matter require I need to support their right.

I do not really expect yours or most EU cultures to understand. I do expect you to accept the difference.

 

"Whinge"

Awesome. Learned a new word.

Thanks FerrariChat.

 

In the interests of tranquility I was planning on leaving that out of the conversation.

 

You mean THIS kind of bottoms-up moderation?

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdFLPn30dvQ[/ame]

 

FWIW, Pete, I'm right there w/ you on the two vintage topics.

 

One might consider not using the improper term "replica". A replica is defined as a recreation produced by the original manufacturer (would have to be Ferrari in this case)

What you are actually talking about is nothing more/else than a counterfeit/fake. That simple.

It is somewhat concerning in my eyes, that Fiva allows more and more such fakes. But it seems "market-driven" ....

 

I'm sorry I don't understand your view on freedom.

In regards to Ferrari based replicas, I still think that as this is FerrariChat, ALL people that joined this site actually liked Ferraris and should disagree with this process, but that surprisingly is not the case. BTW saying you disagree does not mean you are forcing others to agree with you or stopping them to do it, so why do we not get 100% agreement that this use of old Ferraris as donors for replicas on this site is wrong?
Pete
ps: In regards to guns, I simply don't understand what is so interesting about them?. Never used one, touched one once as a mate had a few ... I'm very interested in engineering but there is nothing to me remotely interesting about them. The engineering is crude and simple, and I'm sure that my family and I would not be any safer if I had one as because I'm not interested in them I will not have the training on how to use one properly. Note I've never even been involved in a fight post child years. Defend myself ... how?

I have a nephew who is into hunting, just don't get it, but he appears to enjoy it. I also have a (step)son who is a policeman and has a gun for work ...

 

+2

 

from http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/144215666-post70.html

We/I are not dictating, we are/I am trying to understand why members of a Ferrari enthusiasts site don't unanimously support the preservation of these old cars.

It goes without saying you can do what you like with your own property but wouldn't it be great if we, this site, showed a solidarity of NOT supporting the destruction of Ferraris. I believe this would make a small difference and might save a car or two
Pete
ps: I do not have the financial means to own any Ferrari let alone an old one, but absolutely if I did I would save one.

 

I don't think any enthusiast is happy about the destruction of any special car, much less a Ferrari. What we're saying is that as long as it's not illegal, there is nothing we can do about it without compromising our own freedom.

Also, my experience has been that many here are not Ferrari owners or enthusiasts. In fact, a lot seem to be here only to poke at those that are.