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Discussion in 'Ferrari Discussion (not model specific)' started by PSk, Sep 30, 2015.

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  1. wrxmike

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    #26 wrxmike, Oct 3, 2015
    Leave the Aussies out of this, PSK's a Kiwi.

    M
     
  2. NeuroBeaker

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  3. Braces

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    #28 Braces, Oct 3, 2015

    It's obvious you have a certain disdain for members here who do not own a Ferrari .... yet. I can't speak for others, but I have been a member here for a long time. I enjoy the topics presented here and I only comment in a positive constructive way with respect to the members here. I've owned many nice cars and in the future hope to own a Ferrari.

    Sure some non owners are inconsiderate, but the majority of us are not.

    Last time I checked, this forum welcomes owners and non-owners.

    Sorry for the thread jack/rant.
     
  4. rob lay

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    #29 rob lay, Oct 3, 2015
    you need to reread his post, it said "enthusiasts" too.
     
  5. Jana

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    #30 Jana, Oct 3, 2015
    Not at all. Only the ones who persist in insinuating we're liars.

    And I believe I specifically said my problem is with non-enthusiasts. It appears to me that some are here ONLY to stir the pot.
     
  6. PSk

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    #31 PSk, Oct 3, 2015
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    ? More confused. Liars?, who has said that? What do you mean?

    All I would like to see is if any post is started about Ferrari donor replicas being responded to with consistent replies of "This is disappointing".

    Freedom of choice is vitally important and a given, but these posts are not the place for that sort of discussion. Again if we ALL keep a consistent opinion others that come here will clearly read that, while we cannot stop this, we disapprove.

    Unfortunately the harping on about freedom comes across as supporting the destruction of these old Ferraris. A person who is feeling guilty only needs to find one single post of support to make them feel better ... we as enthusiasts should NOT provide that support!

    FerrariChat should clearly disapprove of this process IMO as I believe if ALL Ferrari enthusiasts disapprove this replica process will slow.
    Pete
    ps: I would like Rob Lay to have a constant banner at the top of the Vintage section stating "FerrariChat does not support the use of genuine Ferraris as donors for replicas". We could vote on this and I think it is healthy for a site like this to not just play the internet but actually have a voice and use it. We already have cr@p sites like Facebook doing the, we are just the host and have no opinion meek stuff.

    This site is really an online car club!
     
  7. mseals

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    #32 mseals, Oct 3, 2015
    I think, in this case, 'he' is actually 'she'.

    Mike
     
  8. mseals

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    #33 mseals, Oct 3, 2015


    Vote?

    Really?

    :D :D

    Perhaps you haven't noticed, but this isn't a Democracy.

    And, you may want to consider that this is a site for MANY voices, MANY points of view, and MANY ideas, positions, and points of view.

    Just sayin'.

    Mike
     
  9. Statler

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    #34 Statler, Oct 3, 2015

    You could at least kick the man 50 bucks for membership before deciding "official forum policy" on topics. Sheesh.

    <off to go browse norwood p575 threads before they are "officially" frowned upon>
     
  10. Adamas

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    #35 Adamas, Oct 3, 2015
    FTW !
     
  11. JCR

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    #36 JCR, Oct 3, 2015
    /thread
     
  12. PSk

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    #37 PSk, Oct 3, 2015
    :)
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  13. PSk

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    #38 PSk, Oct 3, 2015
    Now this comment of yours indicates that you do not understand what I am talking about.

    To be crystal clear, we do not like replicas that use the following:
    - Old genuine car CHASSIS' so that the original is destroyed.
    - Old cars that have amazingly managed to survive for over 40 years.

    Using ONLY engines from the 575 hardly falls in to this category does it? Firstly there is no way the chassis or even chassis number is reused for a P575, secondly the 575 is hardly an old car. This is the case of using modern components that are plentiful to make replicas. The original 575 has not been destroyed never to live again, it has just lost it's engine. When a 250 GT/E looses it running gear for a replica it looses it's chassis and chassis number too as they want the 1960's Ferrari identity. It can never be again.

    Now sure in 30 or so years time the loss of a few 550/575's to these replicas might matter but at the moment they are modern cars at their bottom of their value. There are plenty of them and most importantly they are NOT historic cars (yet).

    Hopefully you can see the difference. If not I give up ... Sheesh ;)
    Pete
     
  14. Super_Dave

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    #39 Super_Dave, Oct 5, 2015
    Stirring the pot is how you get good soup or stew.

    Otherwise everything coagulates/clumps together.

    There is value to a discussion board from people contributing ideas that are opposed to one's own. It is also good for the creative process.

    The worst calamities in human history occurred when there was a single voice -- and the greatest ignorance is perpetuated in the same way.

    I don't get the fear of some people discussion opposing views. I actually don't see much trolling on this site, probably due in part to strong moderators, but also because most wouldn't post if they truly weren't an enthusiast on at least some level. This isn't youtube.
     
  15. PAUL500

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    #40 PAUL500, Oct 8, 2015
    I like the fact that the site covers original cars and modified ones and allows both sides of the debate to be heard over Ferrari based recreations/replicas/one offs.

    It is healthy to listen to all sides, stifling debate never works to justify one side or the other.

    Its very naive to try to force YOUR opinion on others and demand its the only route to be allowed. People can like both original Ferrari's and the converted ones, you don't have to take one view or the other.

    Your argument is actually quite slanted, as you also deem it perfectly ok to take the heart of a 575 to build a replica (a car which is now becoming a classic in its own right) or destroy (your own words not mine, to describe building one ferrari based car from another) an Enzo as Jim did with his p4/5
     
  16. furoni

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    #41 furoni, Oct 8, 2015
    Loved the translation, oh, if only i could master english in the same way i do my mothertongue!!
     
  17. tomc

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    #42 tomc, Oct 8, 2015

    Post of the week. A forum is for exchange of knowledge and ideas, whether we agree or not. And, for the record, I think LH is a wanker, up to & including the day he ever drives for SF, then he'll be a favorite of mine! ;)
    T
     
  18. DeSoto

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    #43 DeSoto, Oct 8, 2015
  19. DeSoto

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    #44 DeSoto, Oct 8, 2015
    If someone decides to spend a lot of cash in a car just because he read on the internet that it´s cool, then he´s got a problem.

    The opinion of a discussion board like this is the opinion of those who write here, nothing else. I don´t think that you can make ALL Ferrari enthusiast to agree on something.

    P.S: I don´t like replicas. I´m not a Lewis Hamilton fan. And yes, 0846 is a copy/paste of lots of things, but it´s still cool and no GTE was harmed in the making.
     
  20. southnc

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    #46 rdefabri, Oct 8, 2015
    I make $500 per week while traveling the world. All I do are easy tasks from this one cool site.

    :D
     
  22. Bullfighter

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    #47 Bullfighter, Oct 8, 2015
    Pretty clear cut to me.

    Given the direction modern cars have taken over the last 20 years, the vintage/classic ones are even more important now than they ever have been.

    I don't have a vintage Ferrari, but my Porsche turns 60 years old in April, with all of its 1956 panels, seats, steering wheel, etc. I think it's great that the previous owners didn't part it out back when it was a cheap, dented-up racing hulk. Whoever owns it after I'm gone is going to have an irreplaceable bit of Porsche/sports car/amateur racing history as well as a car for some memorable drives.
     
  23. furoni

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    #48 furoni, Oct 8, 2015
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    Nice Job!!! ;)
     
  24. WJGESQ

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    #49 WJGESQ, Oct 9, 2015


    What is the purpose of this rather long and tedious post?
     
  25. ScuderiaRossa

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    #50 ScuderiaRossa, Oct 9, 2015
    Can't agree with this more. Apparently the collector car world can rationalize the cannibalization of any car, but you'd never hear about a Van Gogh being altered or a FLW building being tweaked. (A Ferrari 250 Lusso can bring tears of appreciation to my eyes just as easily as any other work of art.) The fast and loose attitude toward vintage/classic cars over the years has diluted the gene pool. Its like over-fishing; eventually you run out of "good" fish to catch, so preservation becomes even more important, unless someday we'll all be OK with driving around replicas and recreations in a fog of self-delusion.
     
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