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430 Scud vs. Huracan

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  1. abedh

    abedh Karting

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    #1 abedh, Oct 19, 2015
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    I was asked to do a comparison of my Scud vs. my new Huracan in the Scud Pricing Guide thread and promised once I had a few miles on the Huracan I would provide the comparison.
    So, its been 10 days, a track day, and 1000 miles of Huracan ownership, so far I am very impressed.
    The cars are not targeted for the same end uses but I will still make the comparison as I clearly replaced one for the other...

    The Huracan, in my opinion, is a superior car in just about every way, that said it is also 7 years newer in technology.
    Two things most stood out for me in the Huracan:
    1) Having 310 ft-lb of torque (out of a total 412) available at 1000 RPM in a naturally aspirated car is just amazing. The Huracan feels like a supercharged car out the gate. Compare to the Scud which feels dead below 5000 RPM, and almost lethargic out of the gate, of course over 5k it was insane...
    2) Braking on this car is unreal, in both daily use and in track use. It has great initial bite and a very progressive feel then on, even when the brakes are cold. This is in contrast to other Carbon Ceramic brake setup I have driven including the Scuderia.

    On the overall driving characteristics of the Huracan:
    1) The harder you push it, the more confident it makes you feel. Again in direct contrast to the Scuderia, the harder I pushed the Scud the less confident it made me feel, it was as if it was looking to kill me at every opportunity.
    2) It has a Dr. Jekyll nnd Mr. Hyde personality based on the mode you put it in. In Strada (street) it is as compliant and easy to drive as a luxury sedan, not kidding, this is a super car that can easily be daily driven (I am using it as my daily driver). In Sport or Corsa modes it turns in to a serious beast, suspension hardening, and throttle response shifting considerably. The difference is significantly more pronounced than the Ferrari settings which were more progressive. Its too bad there is not more control over what the 3 settings do, I frequently wished for the compliant Strada throttle response and suspension but wanted the exhaust to be open...no such luck.
    3) Shifting is super smooth and rapid no matter how hard or soft you are driving. Contrast that with the Scuderia where if you were not at it hard shifting was sometimes slow.
    4) Oh my God is it fast off the line...I mean blistering quick like a Porsche 911 Turbo S quick off the line, and it does not stop the forward hurtling feeling...it just keeps coming

    The interior of the Huracan is much better put together than the Scud. I always felt that the workmanship in the Scud was less than stellar, weld joints looked like amateur time and panels did not quite fit together well, screws and holes under CF panels were crappy, buttons were placed together in odd ways that were not very stable (reverse button for example is a complete joke underneath the panel, barely held together by thin plastic just waiting to cave). The exterior paint is also superior, where as most Ferrari's I have seen need work the Huracan did not need any, my detailer commented on how nice it was to see an exotic that didn't need paint correction out the gate.
    I love the paddle shifters in the Huracan, they are longer and more sensitive than in the Scud, allowing shifting even when you are mid turn. Shifting is so smooth that downshifts do not upset the car or cause any jerkiness or lurches. I have to say it is even better than Porsches PDK.

    Attention in a Lamborghini is an order of magnitude greater than in a Ferrari (that could be a good or bad thing depending on personal preference on how you feel that day).

    If you like raw, its going to kill me feeling while driving your cars, then the Scud is your car. I was never impressed with that type of driving experience, I much prefer the German/Porsche style of driving characteristics over the traditional Italian flair, and clearly VW and Audi ownership have completely changed Lamborghini driving dynamics (in my opinion to the better). This is not the Gallardo, Murcielago or Diablo of days past, this is a car I would be comfortable putting my 14 year old son behind the wheel and have him mash the gas pedal.

    The Huracan on the track shows TONS of traction, it holds like there is no tomorrow, but clearly does not feel as agile as the Scuderia, but feels faster on the track overall. I unfortunately don't have track times in the Huracan to compare with the Scuderia yet.
    I think the hype on understeer for the Huracan is overrated, for anyone who has ever driven an all wheel drive vehicle they will be amazed at how well the Huracan has taken care of that issue. You still have it, especially compared to the Scuderia, but you never feel it as a limitation...its difficult to describe.

    Things I don't like in the Huracan...
    If you thought visibility was a problem in the Scuderia, well the Huracan tops it in terms of lack of visibility. Thankfully it has great mirrors, but they are not enough.
    Who the hell decided to black out the lower portion of the glass optioned rear window in the Huracan?!?! What a ridiculous move...I cant see what the car is directly behind me.
    The sound in the Huracan is almost synthetic, especially the cracks and puts on overrun, it almost sounds like some mathematician calculated the exact number of pops that need to happen per second on overrun, and its muted in the cabin. I wish it had more life and sound dynamics like my Jaguar F-Type R, which in my opinion has the best sound of any sports car out there.
    The stock tires, Pirelli P-Zero, melt on the track, they disintegrate, its almost comical if it weren't so sad. I'll be switching out to Michelins once these are done...not too long now.
    The lower intakes love dirt, grime, and leaves, its impossible to keep clean for more than 10 miles.
    If you thought that the Scuderia had limited storage options, well meet the Huracan...it takes limited stowage to a whole new level. In cabin stowage is non-existent outside of the small glove box, and baggage or grocery stowage is barely enough to hold two small duffle bags stacked on top of each other. At least the Scud frunk had plenty of space...

    Overall I am happier with my Lamborghini Huracan ownership than I was with my Ferrari Scuderia ownership...its still early days, so this could all be honey moon period.

    This post is not meant to trash the Scuderia or state that Lamborghini is better than Ferrari. This is my personal opinion having owned both vehicles. I am blessed to be able to own such amazing vehicles and am thankful that I got to drive them on the road and on the track.
     
  2. rotaryrocket7

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    interesting. I wonder what the comparison would be between the 458 Speciale and the Huracan would be, much closer with technology right?

    Interesting that a AWD car made such a positive impression on turn in and handling. No doubt a lucky man to have handled both on the track, thanks for including the review, always interesting to get first hand comparisons!
     
  3. abedh

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    You are right the Speciale or more likely the 488 would be a better comparison. Unfortunately for me I have neither driven or owned them, so can't comment.
    I went in expecting a bad driving experience on track and came back very impressed.
     
  4. jcurry

    jcurry Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Were you at the Ridge this past weekend? Would have loved to of seen it. Sure it gathered a bit of attention there. Oh well, 5 months to go.
     
  5. rumen1

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    I have a friend, who owns a 458 and a Huracan. What he told me, is that the Lambo is definately more savage and brutal, but Ferrari will always be Ferrari, whatever that means :)

    The Huracan and the Scud are really different from each other in every possible way, so you are a lucky man for having them both and I really wouldn't sell any of them for a long time if I were you :)
     
  6. abedh

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    I was at the Ridge on Friday for day 1 of the fund raiser for the Goodtimes Project. It did generate a lot of attention. I was planning on going Saturday but family obligations came first.
     
  7. abedh

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    LoL! It's true though, a Ferrari is a Ferrari, it has that something that makes it special.

    I actually sold the Scud, I made out well and am pleased with the sale. Overall I was not too happy with the Scud, amazing car, just not the right car for me.
    So far I think the best overall car that I have owned and enjoyed and had very few if any drawbacks is the F-Type R, what an amazing vehicle.
    If the Huracan fit taller people better it would be #1, but given poor visibility and limited head room the Jag edges out the Lambo.
     
  8. MME

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    I have a 2015 458 spider and a 2015 Huracan. I agree with your assessment of the Lambo. In short, I give the Lambo thumbs up for looks, cabin comfort and reasonably comfortable riding in Corsa mode. In race mode, the 458 is stiffer and feels much more like a performance car and I've opened the exhaust valves so its sound is superior. The Lambo is really fun to drive, but the Ferrari is special.
     
  9. Gated

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    Pics or it didn't happen ;-)
     
  10. abedh

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    Interesting info but it seems unfair and pointless to do a comparison review of a brand new car vs. a 7 year old car. As unfair/pointless as doing a comparison review of a sports car and another one that costs twice as much.
     
  12. abedh

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    I don't think the Huracan is twice the price, a low mileage Scud will go for over $200k, not too far off from the starting price of a Huracan. Used well optioned Huracan's are going for around $250k.
    I can tell you that I definitely did the comparison when I went to look at the Huracan, it was definitely not pointless to me, and resulted in me selling the Scud to get the Huracan. For those thinking of moving to another vehicle from a Scuderia the comparison is very helpful to understand what is different about the Huracan from the Scuderia.
     
  13. MaranelloDave

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    Not suggesting there is that price differential. It was an analogy. My point is you can't fairly compare cars from different eras. The Huracan has the benefit of the better part of a decade of technological advancement and industry progression.
     
  14. freshmeat

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    I find this all interesting...

    Much of what abedh considered as a "con" I consider a redeeming quality that, as we have witnessed, no new generation Ferrari or Lamborghini will ever be able to replicate...as things get more and more numb, more compliant, more refined, more assisted, there's just nothing that has excited my senses like an "older school" Ferrari.

    I think cars like the Scuderia are just that right blend of "old school", yet still capable of delivering competitive performance against the latest and greatest, but most importantly doesn't let the technology overwhelm the driver...all the tech in the Scuderia is buried behind those "ugly welds" ;) which again, rightfully so, considered by some folks like abedh as a "con". To me details like that is just another thing that appeals to my senses, I feel like a bloody race car driver hoping into a purposefully stripped down challenge car or something...it just adds to the whole event of driving.

    And ohhh, that single clutch superfast f1 kick, it's just so raw and so right; fast enough to feel fast, yet not slow enough to feel that awkward lurch forward you would in a CS or even Aventador. It suits the personality of the car perfectly.

    Me and my buddies did the Huracan 2-day driving course awhile back, the understeer isn't exaggerated at all, but I must underscore that you only feel it when you're closer to the limit of the car & tires. And since the cars we were driving weren't ours, we were definitely pushing it a touch harder than we would had they belonged to us. At "normal" rates of speeds through the corners, it's less noticeable but the minute you chase those laptimes, it's there in gobs and gobs. Abedh, you just need to go faster ;)

    And I totally agree the Huracan is a superiorly built car, it should be, it's a decade of new tech. That new tech is also vastly different in how it accommodates a driver. To be bluntly frank, it teaches a driver how not to be a better driver ie allows bad habits to continue.

    I think we all appreciate nannies to be there to save us when we're in trouble, but when you get into the nannies inside a car like the huracan, it is teaching you bad car control / reactions because the tech is doing so much of the impossible for you to keep you in line that you will almost never be able to learn the proper car control techniques, learning to understand natural mechanical grip, learning how to properly balance the car in over/understeer etc etc all you do is put your foot down...

    So you're just living the illusion of actually improving at driving. Can't even turn that stuff completely off either.

    JMHO.

    And 2-3 days of hard driving pales in comparison to actual ownership, hopefully, I too can get one into the garage sooner than later =) The Huracan is a different draw and appeals to different senses. I'd even drive it to the clubs or restaurants which I would never do in the Scuderia for whatever reasons.
     
  15. MME

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  16. koop

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    Agree with this 100%. There will never be another car like the scud or CS. All of these new cars may be "better", but something about the older stripped down Ferraris is just way more exciting.
     
  17. abedh

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    It's definitely different strokes for different folks.
     
  18. jcurry

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    Looks like the kids enjoyed it on Fri. (pics in Tom's Turn2 email blast).
     
  19. abedh

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    I sure hope they did! It was fun taking the around the track for a few laps.
    It was a busy day, I did over 2 hours of rides for kids, parents, and those who payed donations for rides. I was fried at the end of that day.
     
  20. 360+Volt=Prius

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    Great write up, and I enjoy your frank opinions on the comparison. The hurricane sounds like an amazing machine, and I would love to get behind the wheel of one. It's amazing that the scud (now 2 generations old) is even capable of a comparison to the latest offering from lambo! And at the near 200k price tag for an 8+ year old car speaks to the retained value of the scud.

    I would love to see a comparison between the hurricane and the 488. Just went to a local 488 GTB unavailing last week. No drive- but seemed like one impressive work. Looked a lot like the 458 on my initial impression, but there was a 458 ~30 feet away, and there are significant differences (don't let the headlights, and basic modern Ferrari shape fool you).

    Thanks for sharing your ownership experiences.


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  21. ramingti20

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    Abed, congrats on the new car! Sent you a PM!
     
  22. makethemsaywow

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    Thank you for the comparo - looking forward to hearing how your thoughts evolve as you move on from the new car honeymoon period.
     
  23. abedh

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    Your welcome. It's been just over a month and 2,000+ miles so far. Loving the car in general. Opinion still the same. Visibility still an issue. Especially those stop lights, at 6'3 I am on the taller side so I have to lean sideway a bit if I am the first car at the stop light to see the light. It's been a problem with every hard top coupe I have owned, a little bit more exaggerated with the Huracan though.
     
  24. saraojo

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    The visibility did seem less compared to other cars. I went to the local lambo dealer to check out some huracans. I was told there is a 580-2 coming out with less hp but less weight and different aero. I might consider that or 610 in the future.
     
  25. makethemsaywow

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    Do you find yourself missing the Scud at all, or are you completely over the 430 with no looking back?
     

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