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  1. Tim Webb

    Tim Webb Rookie

    Aug 26, 2015
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    Stand21 in extreme heat. Before you buy one (Sparco, OMP, etc...) try out Stand21 ST3000.
     
  2. the_stig

    the_stig F1 Rookie

    Sep 19, 2005
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    For lightness and breathability the Extrema. The Eagle may have a slight edge in wear and tear in some situations due to the panels of a different fabric. BTW the Extrema is a very good value in the USA - it is a $3000 suit in England for example.

    Belichick? I don't know what you're talking about... LOL
    https://youtu.be/6qgREMBTE28
     
  3. GaryR

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    Sparco Extrema RS-10 is $2300 at OG Racing...
     
  4. the_stig

    the_stig F1 Rookie

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    That is the list price in the US.
     
  5. singletrack

    singletrack F1 Veteran

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    Thanks for all the info stig. What is the markup on a high-end suit since you use to be in the business? What would be an appropriate discount off list for a good customer? If you have an idea; would share that...
     
  6. the_stig

    the_stig F1 Rookie

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    I doubt that you will find (or get) more than 10% off (if that) and this is one area where I STRONGLY urge you to find someone who stocks the stuff so that you can try it on.
    Whatever you do please don't be "that guy" and try on locally then order online. It's a tough business to make a living in and you really can benefit from forming a relationship with a local supplier if you have one close enough.
    The only time you typically find this stuff discounted is at one of the winter racing shows where there may be 2-3 vendors with the same suit and none of them want to take stock back home with them. As always cash talks.
     
  7. provoke

    provoke Rookie

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    have any video?
     
  8. Ky1e

    Ky1e Formula 3

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    No but going again this weekend (Sunday)
     
  9. singletrack

    singletrack F1 Veteran

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    Thanks for the info!
     
  10. Ky1e

    Ky1e Formula 3

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    Had another fun day at Sebring with the 458. I timed my self for the first time and was doing 2:24 laps on street tires while passing traffic. I'm not going all out at Bishops Bend (not worth the risk reward for DE days) and could prob shave a second off that corner alone, with more coaching I'm sure i can take some time off some of the other corners. I'm hoping to get to low 2:20's my next time out in Dec. 158 mph was my top speed down the back straight. (this was before my coaching).

    Got some coaching at the end of the day from a guy who has coached the Indy 500 winner and Montoya. Biggest thing I learned was being patient on getting back on the throttle in some corners-- I was going full braking then right back on the throttle, he had me go full braking a little earlier, then ease of the brake and coast leading up to the apex before getting on it. I was late braking harder then getting back on it which makes u faster leading into the corner but makes the car a tad more unsettled thru the corner.

    When he drove with Jackie Stuart (a long time ago) he was surprised how Jackie would actually brake a touch earlier (relative to others) so he could be back on the throttle earlier in the corner.


    By the way I had the Mich Pilot CUP 2 tires and they were MUCH better than the Mich Super Sports. They did not get as squirrely mid way thru the session.
     
  11. ProCoach

    ProCoach F1 Veteran
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    My friend, Peter Argetsinger?

    You should get some good equipment. This is a crappy upload of a standard definition version of what is now available in HD for less than $2K. Completely portable and plugs in the OBD-II for power and data. Let me know if interested.

    https://youtu.be/Po4yoytAdDg
     
  12. Ky1e

    Ky1e Formula 3

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    #62 Ky1e, Nov 9, 2015
    Last edited: Nov 9, 2015
    Yup, Peter Argetsinger.

    Yeah I'm interested. PM me the details. I just bought a Cayman dedicated track car that should arrive in a week or so (bought sight unseen, I've never even been in a Cayman). My plan is to try the Cayman then move to the 458C. I could drive the Cayman for 1 track weekend or maybe a year--depends on how I like it. Will the system work with both the Cayman and the 458C?
     
  13. ProCoach

    ProCoach F1 Veteran
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    Yes, system will work in both with one configuration change (via a laptop you're going to use to download and view the info with) that takes about 20 seconds! What year Cayman?
     
  14. Ky1e

    Ky1e Formula 3

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    #64 Ky1e, Nov 11, 2015
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    Here's the info the seller gave me on the Cayman. I bought it sight unseen. It's being shipped down to Tampa from the Northeast.:

    Track conversion completed in Spring 2014
    Donor Car - 30,000 mile 2006 Cayman S personal driver. No accidents, clear title.
    3 pedal manual
    New larger 3.6L engine put in

    Car built with high level of engineering, design and finish throughout
    No expense spared to build with Safety and Performance as #1 priorities
    Balanced Mid Engine Porsche ( additional pics available )

    Chromoly 4130 Cage welded to chassis at 10 locations
    Extra front end tie ins to front suspension towers and firewall
    Extra Rear tie ins for added stiffness
    Bosch Motorsports M4 ABS System
    Fire Suppression System
    Recaro Hans Driver Seat
    Recaro Passenger Seat
    Shroth 6 point harness
    Motec C125 Color Dash w/ 120 MB logging memory
    BBS wheels - Cayman Interseries
    3.6L X51
    RSR subframe
    GT3 Lower Control Arm
    GT3 Inner Joints
    Penske Race Shocks with Regressive Valve
    Rear Spring Set - 900
    Front Spring Set - 750
    Crawford Carbon Fiber rear Wing
    Crawford Carbon Fiber front Splitter
    Lexan windshield for additional safety and weight savings
    Packable exhaust
    GT3 Throttle Body
    GT3 Front Cover and Fenders
    Power Steering underpulley
    Additional Power Steering Cooling
    Additional Transmission Cooling
    HP lightweight flywheel and clutch assembly
    Performance Shifter linkage
    Flashed ECU
    Billet Steering Wheel Release

    As you can see in the red above, some of the difference in price to other builds. As you can see, the best products and choices were made during this build.

    1. Rigidity and safety choices of the cage
    2. Bosch Motorsports M4 ABS system
    3. Motec color Dash/data system
    4. Porsche RSR subframe to lower center of gravity
    5. Penske Shocks
    6. 3.6L X51 motor
    7. Crawford Carbon Fiber Rear Wing
    8. Crawford Carbon Fiber front splitter ( spare splitter included)
    9. Lexan lightweight windshield
    10. Repackable exhaust
    11. GT3 Throttle Body
    12. GT3 Front Nose and fenders

    The seller claims he spent just under $170K on everything (I doubt that-- prob $140-$150K). And only used it for DE days since 2014. No off tracks, clean.
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  15. Entropy

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    Nice job on the Cayman and smart move!

    This car looks familiar - pure speculation, but coming out of the northeast, if Speedsport (Spencer Cox) or DeMan Motorsport (Rick DeMan) built it, it's probably a good car out of the box.

    And, from about 10+ people I know who have had cars like this built, $170 all in is reasonable.

    The nice(st) thing about this car is you can use it both as a great learning platform AND as a competitive race car with a reasonable budget. Running cost is a fraction of a 458C, and support is easier.

    At Monticello Motor Club, these Caymans have become "the" car to have and use, and most people who drive/race them have other options and keep running the Cayman.
     
  16. 95spiderman

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    great car.
    good luck with it
     
  17. ProCoach

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    Rick DeMan built this one, looks like. Good choice on the car!

    Yes, what I suggest will work in both cars and will yield valuable information quicker than the MoTeC (but a good coach will use both!). The most valuable info is that instrumented video! PM sent.

    Here is one of my clients at Sebring who has doing a 2:20 in a similar car on an overcast day with video made by this system: https://www.facebook.com/peter.krause/videos/10152600813613790/?l=3252199646589569848

    Be sure to click on HD!
     
  18. Ky1e

    Ky1e Formula 3

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    Yes u know ur stuff-- it did come from Monticello. The guy that owned it kept it there.
     
  19. Ky1e

    Ky1e Formula 3

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    #69 Ky1e, Nov 11, 2015
    Last edited: Nov 11, 2015
    What's the difference between your system and MoTecC (I'm unfamiliar with what that is)?
    Nice lap in the vid! Great to see u can pull fast times in a Cayman.

    I need to buy track gear (Sparco Extrema rs-10 suit, shoes, gloves, new helmet with cooling, cool suit system)-- any recommendations on which sites online to use?
     
  20. singletrack

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    Holy chit! Serious car. Have fun in that thing! Good builder is essential or you will spend all the time troubleshooting other's mistakes. Glad to hear that is the case here!
     
  21. 95spiderman

    95spiderman F1 World Champ
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    ive had good experience with deman. and ive been on track with those rockets. your car will be first rate
     
  22. ProCoach

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    MoTeC is a high end (about $5500-$7000, with harness) display/logger built in Australia (I'm a dealer for them, too) that is a common fitment for highly modified Cayman's, specifically to "spoof" the stability control so it can be turned off (not possible in the stock car) and accommodate worthwhile add-ons like the Motorsport ABS.

    I have many Cayman customers that use these (along with the AiM, will explain later) and they're VERY powerful tools for tracking not only vehicle health and status, but driver inputs, too. Downside is that with that power and flexibility, the time, effort and training required to get everything possible out of even the entry-level C125 is a full time trackside job, along with the fact that simple tasks like lap time setup and fuel use calculations need to be set up beforehand to get best benefit out of them. Lastly, to add HD video (MoTeC's own VCS-HD) is $3100 alone, clumsy and not always reliable.

    Most Cayman C125 installs are therefore just set up with the basics (displaying temps, pressures, programmable shift lights, nice color screen with programmable alarms to alert you about values out of range, better known as alarms) and help the Porsche ECU and ABS ECU's do their jobs better.

    Believe it or not, most folks that add AiM Solo DL and SmartyCam HD's to these MoTeC-equipped Caymans do so not only to get inexpensive, reliable, instant and instrumented video, but to be able to see lap times automatically, along with predictive times and +/-, the instant and updated real-time assessment of whether in fact you ARE doing better, or not ;), compared to the performance you've recorded so far WITHOUT even coming into the pits, downloading the data and poring over it. Pretty slick!

    All these different systems do some things better than the others, but they all measure roughly the same BASIC things with the same, high accuracy. If we ever work together trackside, a large part of our focus would be teaching you how to get good information out of them to coach yourself.

    Plenty of good online vendors. Check with FChat sponsors first (of course), but Apex in South Carolina, OG Racing near Washington DC, Stable Energies in NJ, Northstar Motorsports in IL and Wine Country Motorsports (often Apex and WC are trackside for larger events) are all good.

    More in the PM.
     
  23. ProCoach

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    Ky1e, send me an email directly under my profile info, then I can send pics!
     
  24. schao

    schao Formula Junior

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    Wine Country has a store on site at Sebring as well as in Jupiter, FL. Try on stuff for sizing, then have them show what's in inventory at their other stores for other colors of suits, gloves, etc. you want. Helmets should be bought only after trying on many for proper fit. Dedicated track car is a very smart move, congrats you are officially off the edge and deep into our addiction!
     
  25. Ky1e

    Ky1e Formula 3

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    ProCoach--email sent.

    I'd like to buy an AiM system from you.
     

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