How would you make FerrariChat.com better?

Is there a way for the post number to show up when someone's post is quoted?

I like to look back at quoted posts, but on multiple page threads they can be hard to find.

For example if I quoted your last post in this thread Rob, it would show up with your post "Use to be more strict removing prior owner, but lately no" #1824

 

I vote for a sub-P&R where the rules are there are no rules. Kind of a "backroom" P&R fighting ring.

 

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If you click the little double arrow in a box after the quoted poster's name, it will take you back to his post. Do it to my quote of you in this post.

 

You want more logical arguments in P&R AND you want a no rules P&R subforum? Rational flame wars??? Does not compute.

 

Sure it does.

The 'regular' P&R forum is for civilized discourse and a genuine, intellectually honest exchange of ideas, unfettered by the constraints of illogical thinking and emotion; the P&R 'BRL' is for when you need to call an ******* an *******.

Best

Mike

 

I was one of the many posts on this about a year ago and still haven't been verified. I guess I'm somewhat reclusive, but between work, family, and actually driving my car I just don't have time in my life to prioritize meeting other fchat owners in person. I am an owner who happens to get my ferrari fix by driving my car and logging to fchat, not (yet) by socializing with other fchatters in the real world. I have tried to attend a couple events but it just hasn't happened.

The purpose of this thread seems to be how to make fchat better. I am with those who say fchat would be BETTER if the requirement for joining the owners forum is being an OWNER.

Why can't legitimate owners be confirmed online? Is the fear that non-owners will lie/cheat to get into the owners forum? There are obviously more than a handful of legit owners who haven't found a way in. Shouldn't the goal be for all owners to join the owners forum and make it easy to do rather than difficult?

 

I know that. Nobody saying "it's impossible to get verified." But why not make it easier for those of us who don't prioritize f2f meetings. Why not give another option?

Maybe just be more transparent about this. Admittance to the owners forum isn't really about owning. It's about being vetted and accepted by moderators/other members like in some (IMHO snooty) private clubs. If that's how you want it to be, then fine I suppose.

This thread is for suggestions, right? So I'm suggesting that the foum might benefit from some really nice, interesting, unabrasive owners who simply don't have the desire or priority to coordinate a f2f meet up just to prove they own a car. I suppose that if we cared enough about being verified, we would go through the (IYO minor) trouble to do it, but we all have different priorities on our time and what we do with it.

Thanks for the forum and for listening.

 

Look Mike.

Every single one of the people in the owners forum have been verified in person, ALL of them. So you either get verified like that all did or you don't. If you want in the owners forum those are the requirements to get in. The rules should not be changed just to appease one person when EVERYONE ELSE has followed the rules as they are.

In a nut shell, quityourbeeotchin.

 

Isn't that the purpose of this thread? As someone who really enjoys this community, I'm respectfully making a suggestion. At least my intent is to do it respectfully and constructively.

Prego!

 

Well, the next moderator is located about 700 miles away from me (I believe). If he were around here by occasion, he could not only "verify" me and my ownership, respectively. I could additionally stuff the subscription fee into his pocket in cash .

The next Fchat members known to me from the forum are at least about 400 miles away (each of them).

I seems that the focus of the "owners only" is mainly to the US, where the density of members probably is higher than in good ´ol Europe, at least in regions of higher population.

So, I could spend days of travelling and plenty of money for the sole purpose to have confirmed that I am I and that I own two Ferraris. Things that I know pretty well myself without "verification" . Aside the fact that some persons might be so arrogant, due to some social acknowledgement they receive anyway, to feel that they do not need to be "verified" or simply avoid places, where high nosed "doormen" are allowed to decide about their admittance (I am talking about real world and not about anybody here), the simple question is whether the "admittance" to this "closed circle" is worth such efforts in the sense of having additional real world contacts and/or obtaining otherwise secret technical information.

Since one cannot find that out from an outside view, it seems that any "investment" more than spending some time writing emails (and, e.g. making scans of registration documents) or the like is "risky".

And: If I want to get to know Ferrari owners, I do not need Fchat, plainly said. Furthermore, how can that be , I already know quite a number of fine chaps with Ferraris around here, but none of them are Fchat members (to my best knowledge) .... .

But this thread, as I learn, is not about discussing improvements with respect to rules or administrative practice. Both are eternal and untouchable. This makes me quite comfortable here, at least one place where one can rely on conservatism .

In short, so I will remain as a "simple" user, and continue to reward the information provided by others in this public by in turn providing information I might have and render helpful for others.

 

Yeah, I got that. However the reality is that users may try to respect the boundaries between forums, but they frequently forget which forum they're in. Bleedover would be a perpetual headache and bans would increase. We really don't want more bans.

 

As I stated, there are several threads and hundreds of posts on this question. The answer is the rules were created as they were based on lengthy experience due to actual history, events, cases, and after much thought; they were not created "just because". Your supposition that "the goal be for all owners to join the owners forum" is also incorrect. A number of users got fed up with the BS being spouted by the latest internet experts of the moment and wanted some way to tell real owners from frauds. We saw no way to be sure that an owner was really an owner based on internet and digital documentation, which we had plenty of experience was easily faked. Consequently, we decided to rely on the community and network to verify ownership. The fact that the vast majority of existing Owner's Forum (OF) members want the rules to stay as they are confirms for us that was an appropriate decision. Also we don't really care if all owners join or not. The OF exists because users wanted it, to the extent that the OF membership is satisfied with their membership rolls, then it's fine, whether membership increases or decreases.

There are 19 users that list your city as their locale. There are 362 users that list your country as their nation.

Managing entry into the OF is actually a burden and headache for the site admin and mods. The vetting process is manual and tedious. The OF adds no revenue to the site and is not marketed as a feature of membership. The complaints about the vetting process are frequent and reliably recurrent. It was only created because users asked for it. We might consider revision of the entry rules, except that the vast majority of users who have entered the OF strongly advise us they DON'T want the entry rules changed.

The OF is a low activity forum. We don't tag the profile of any users that are members, so there is no prestige to be gained. The main benefit of the OF is that you see the user names and cars of those who have been vetted. That may guide some users as to who are really owners and who to give greater credence to in posts, but otherwise I'm not sure there is any other benefit.

We're not actively promoting the OF nor is it a big issue if the membership increases or decreases. Frankly, some users, who generally seem to want an easy way in, seem to care more than we do. Users who make a big issue of how hard it is to get in, really shouldn't try. It won't be worth the return on the perceived difficulty of their effort.

 

How do I find them? The search function does not seem to be useful for this purpose (or I am too unskilled in this respect). How many of them are active posters? I would really like to identify them, just to look whether I might know them anyway . And perhaps get to know some more great car nuts.

Edit: I just found out how to search members by locations .
Second edit: Looking just at the active ones of the 19, I know the single Ferrari owner and his father *looool*. No other forum-active owners (according to own statements) in mayor cities listed about 200 miles around here.

Thanks for this open statement, that is what I suspected anyway . I personally quite quickly recognize whom to give greater credence to in their posts, now already.

 

Addressed a couple of pages earlier. Put in your city and your country in the Location field mentioned and you should get similar results as I posted.

 

Thanks for the link, had just found it out myself, see also my edit above. Result: One active user (Adrian) owning a Ferrari within 200 miles. And I know him since years anyway .

 

Another question please, there is one fellow in Hamburg, who has 3,777 posts. If I want to look at these, I receive the message that there is no match for the search. Does that mean that he posts exclusively in subforums, which are not open to the public? Might then be the second one ...

 

Yes, and you know why, shall I really repeat it again (just a few posts upward)? . In short: I refuse using Paypal and 2checkout does not seem to work with Visa of Unicredit. No other options offered, but issue declared as a "problem" at my end (that I do not see such problem for myself, for obvious reasons, seems not understood)

I myself do not need to get into the "owners only" area. I already know the single other owner and Fchat member located here. I just assisted another chap arguing for more practical approaches. He (and I) errorneously believed his proposal of improvement helpful.

I will not further bother anyone with both issues (modes of payment, owners area), everthing was and is fine with me, in particular with keeping my money, naturally .

 

WOW. Never knew that. Thank you!!

 

I suggest the F1 forum be shut down for a period of time.

 

The F1 section was better for a bit, but once bans for the trolls ended, it quickly went back to bickering.



Mark

 

Rob, the endless Hamilton bashing is just out of control. It's mind boggling how people can have so much animosity toward someone that hasn't done anything wrong.

Any time any sort of discussion comes up someone has to chime in with a snide remark about hamilton and then it sets off the chain reaction.

I never let things bother me but I'd like to see good discussions about races, the future, etc, but it's always dragged down by childish rants that pertain to nothing.

I know mark and myself stay away more often than go inside, and there's not much thst likely can be done to keep conversations on point.