Cavallino points question

I'm not a judge but on one of my IAC/PFA judging sheets it shows there is a 2 point deduction for an incorrect exhaust. I received that deduction for my aftermarket exhaust however no deduction for a dealer-installed stereo--so not sure how the judges feel about individual components.

Maybe because the stereo was added where there was not one, but the exhaust was changed from what the factory installed...

 

The authoritative basis used for judging is how the car left the factory. This is proved out by build sheets, parts books, owner's books, which will clearly state what is original or what is not. If you have a specially equipped car from the Factory, it's the owner's responsibility to prove that to the judges, such as some thing that is listed on the original window sheet, or correspondence between the new car dealer and the factory. Anything added after the car leaves the factory is considered aftermarket, even if it was dealer installed. In the case of radio's, most cars of the era came equipped with an antenna, speakers, no radio, and it was implied that the selling dealer or owner would provide a radio of their choice, hence, no points deductions. On the other hand, you would not be able to order a car with a Tubi or similar exhaust from the factory when the car was new, so any changes would have a points deduction on this while being judged.
Gary Bobileff
Cavallino judgr for 16 years

 

Interpretations and deductions have been defined and clarified over time. The current situation with exhaust deductions is 2 points maximum distributed over the entire exhaust system from the cylinder head to the tail pipe tips and that includes the mounts, hangers and hardware


Because so many Ferraris of the period come without a radio or stereo anything is allowed as long as in the judges opinion it does not detract from the car. Less is usually better. Our TR has a radio in the stock location, a remote CD changer and speakers in the stock, unmodified locations. To avoid any negative impression I removed the CD changer before a National Meet a couple of years ago. You never know what someone will consider a detraction.

 

Excellent responses, thanks Gary and Brian--makes sense.

 

The cars are judged as built and equipped by the factory, not the dealer.

 

agreed,
Gary Bobileff

 

There are acceptable modifications that the judges will agree upon. Here's an example: I know this is a Ferrari forum, but this comes to mind. The original size tire supplied on all early Lambo's was a Pirelli 210 x 15 tire. 210's have been extinct since the dinosaur age. Typically, every body runs Michelin XWX 215/70/15 tires. No points are deducted, because Pirelli isn't interested in making new tires of that size, and there is not a manufacture who will help in producing this size as well, and it would cost 10's of thousands of dollars to make tires in that size, therefore, judges would not give a deduction. On the other hand, IF 210 x 15 were available, and not mounted on the car, the substitute tire would be a deduction. Exercising a bit of common sense enters into play here, as there are exceptions made.
Gary Bobileff

 

Hey fellas, this year my 512 TR was marked off 1/2 pt. by Ted Rutland, at Cavallino, for faded wheel center caps, original from the factory. I just replaced them last week with NEW factory OEM centers. How do you explain the judges would rather have new, not faded VS faded,but original ? I will see what happens this January.

 

Ok, I'll say it.
did he have the new ones with him?

 

If the paint was faded or oxidized or if the leather was faded we might deduct for that too. Originality is good but not at the expense of condition. Fading is not really considered normal wear and tear or a sign of use. It can be avoided. We have a 90 TR with the original caps and they are not faded. The ones on our 88 328 were but the entire car was not well cared for. Additionally, often originality means an original Ferrari part as opposed to an aftermarket modification. There is no penalty to replacing an OE part for a like OE part in the name of maintaining the car. Likewise we do not ignore original, worn out or cracking tires. We do not deduct for minor wear and tear or evidence of use but that does not relieve you of maintaining the car.

The preservation awards are biased more to pure originality to some degree at the expense of condition.

 

Andrew very funny I never thought of that, I like the way you think !! I ended up buying the new centers from T. Rutlands after all.