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599/612: Valet/Power Reduction Function

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  1. 360modena2003

    360modena2003 Formula 3

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    #1 360modena2003, Dec 15, 2015
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    Hello,

    after seeing this GTO run into a club, and hearing of many other horror stories, I am seriously considering adding some type of "throttle" limitation device.

    I use my car regularly and give it to the valet, but given the ridiculous amount of power and brake/accelerator pedal closeness, I believe it would be very convenient to have some form to limit the amount the accelerator opens when give to a valet - I've heard about this option on another car.

    Since these vehicles have electronic accelerators, one way would be to do it via "software" or somehow manipulate the potentiometer values (15-20% would be more than sufficient to accomplish any parking).

    Anyone have any ideas?I think this would give everyone peace of mind.
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  2. Armen G.

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    Where do you get those idiot valets? I gave my Murcie and 599 for valet driver in Moscow with no issues - except that on my Murcie LP he made a cruise around the block 'to find a free lot' although there were plenty of them ))) guess he wanted a chance to cruise around )))
     
  3. 166&456

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    I think a type of Corvette had that function and there have been more. It does make sense for peace of mind when handing someone else the keys. It would be good for the wife too... :) Or anybody else not too familiar with high power cars who could get themselves into trouble with them.
    Limiting the potentiometer mechanically will work, electronically it is a bit more difficult since it is actually two counteracting potentiometers in one for safety.
     
  4. 360modena2003

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    @Armen: One is born every day.

    @166/456: Interesting, do you mean to physically block the movement at the pedal?
     
  5. 166&456

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    @360: a block of wood under the pedal will work, of course!
    Though it's better to do this in software I suppose.
     
  6. Nospinzone

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    Yes, never, ever, but never, give your Ferrari to a valet. When I have to leave my car at valet parking, I tip them enough to leave my car in front, locked, and I have the key.

    I once had a valet say, "but sir we may have to move it". I told him the maître d' knows where we are seated. Have him get me and I'll move it!
     
  7. Cribbj

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    I too would never hand over keys to a valet, but to the OP's question, one idea that comes to mind might be to have a hidden manual trigger switch for the Cat ECU on one side which would put the car into limp mode, and it would only run on 6 cylinders.
     
  8. trygve11

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    I increased the distance between my throttle and my brake pedals. I did this by having a custom brake pedal made which essentially moved it over "one hole".
     
  9. 360modena2003

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    Never giving to a valet is not always an option.

    Block of wood is not safe, could block the brake pedal.

    I like the 6 cylinder option; If the cat ECU is disconnected, do the injectors stop working?

    I am also thinking of some type of simple electro-mechanical "lock", for example those used on door locks, where the movement of the pedal is limited.
     
  10. Cribbj

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    You wouldn't want a switch that would "disconnect" the Cat ECU as IIRC, that would set a MIL which you'd then have to reset with an SD or other OBD2 tool.

    What I was proposing was a switch and some associated circuitry which would simulate a "high" Cat temperature, which, when activated, would put the car in limp mode.

    And yes, in limp mode, the injection for that side of the engine would be shutoff, so no fuel going into the non-running cylinders.
     
  11. F.Engineering

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    Sorry but is not more easy to control your right foot? ....
     
  12. BJJ

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    A simple approach would be to place an appropriate resistor, switchable, in parallel or series to the gas potentiometer. One would need to find out, whether the potentiometer is "high" or "low" in idle position and what the resistance range thereof is. The additional resistor may even itselfe be a potentiometer of appropriate range, so that one can find the best value by trial.
     
  13. Nospinzone

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    Even in limp mode the car has plenty of power to crash into something.
     
  14. 360modena2003

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    Its not about "my" right foot, but the foot of someone that is not accustomed to driving such vehicles.
     
  15. F.Engineering

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    #15 F.Engineering, Dec 17, 2015
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    Very sorry ... i had read your first post too fast ..
    Now I understand perfectly!
    Sorry again ...

    For example the depowered Ducati monster had a plate for stop the butterfly valve shaft .... but this solution on the motorized butterfly i think is no possible, is necessary go by electronics, as advised before by the other guys..
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  16. HobbsTC

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    Yes, the original 90s Corvette ZR1 had a valet key that disconnected the secondary runners to the intake and limited its power. But that was from the factory.
     
  17. 360modena2003

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    Bernard, yes, the "cleanest" solution would be to work with the potentiometer.

    Fabio, any ideas how this could be done? I am sure many would be interested.

    Hobbs, correct, the Corvette was the car! The idea is extremely practical.
     
  18. F.Engineering

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    Hi,
    Early i will go to my dealer for my things and i will ask to their mechanic about it (my friend).
    Another important thing if you bring your car to other person, for me, is to prevent the traction control disable ....
    regards

    Fabio
     
  19. DZ-96

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    In case you guys will find a solution to reduce the power for "valet use", it will not be fair for 599 owners without this solution.
    :)

    Two 599 owners are going out for an opera or dinner.
    First 599 with power reduction is parked safely by the valet, for the second 599 without power reduction, the risk of an accident raise X00 % if parked by the same valet.
    "Ahh, the same car, also no power, i have to kick the throttle to get the car to the parking lot."
    Boooom.

    Another solution for limiting the throttle (meant not 100 % serious):
    "Hey Mr., if you injure this car when you park it, you will be injured by me."


    Daniel
     
  20. 360modena2003

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    Grazie Fabio, it would be very interesting if something could be developed.




     
  21. BJJ

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    Daniel, absolutely fair! The second 599 crashes into the rear of the first 599, obviously. So more or less equal damage = more or less fair ... :D
     
  22. 360modena2003

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    That would depend on the composer :)

    @Fabio, can you ask your friend what would happen it I disconnect one of the MAFs? I believe this would interrupt the fuel injectors to the bank of cylinders.

    Perhaps this is the "cleanest" way to have a "cut-off".

    More involved would be individual cut-off of each fuel injector - Mercedes had a similar system on the 600 V12 model "ZAS" - I believe it was called.
     

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