Test Drove the 488 Today. Cancelled my Order, Sticking to my 458

Honda S2000 is not an economy car. It's a Japanese sport car and one of the legendary.

 

Passion is not only about sound, there are few things. But we are comparing 458 to 488, not 650S to 488. Now lets check out some of the passion : Look (they both look almost the same), Brand and History (both Ferrari), Driving Experience (458 has better throttle response, but 488 has 1 seconds advantage in 0-120mph and laps Fiorano 2s faster, 488 has more low rpm torque which is very crucial in family carrier), handling (you can only tell the difference if you go all out on a track), interior quality (about the same), sound (488 doesn't sound like a proper Ferrari).

 

It's an economy car compared to a Ferrrari. But that does not make much of a difference as other cars like some Civics, Integras, Preludes and other brands as also mentioned, makes high revving engines. The engine in the S2000 is as complicated, or as simple, as most other Honda VTech engines.
There are manufactures of normal economy cars that makes high revving engines, fact.

 

Probably imperceptible to most drivers in most circumstances.

0-anything is probably the most irrelevant metric by which to judge a road car unless your measure of a car is how fast it gets from one set of lights to the next.

This is a far more important indicator of the kind of driving satisfaction the 488 will offer on the open road.

If you don't think low rpm torque is not important in a sports car then I wonder about how hard you actually drive your cars. The extra torque is going to come in to play at the exit of most bends. And nice try there at denigrating the 488 by mention of family carriers.

Simply not true. Improvements in a car's handling can easily be detected on the open road if you're stretching the car. And often even if you're not caning it. Again, I wonder how hard you might be driving your cars.

Ferrari seem to improve build quality with every car so I have no reason to believe it won't be true this time, too. Admittedly, given that the cabin architecture is very similar to that of the 458 it's unlikely to be of the order that the 458 exceeded the F430, or, indeed, the F430 exceeded the 360 (big leap there). But safe to assume it will be better to a degree.

Actually, sounds very much like an F430, with its distinctive baritone. And I assume you consider that the F430 sounds like a proper Ferrari? I have no argument with anyone who thinks the 458 sounds better (even though I would argue it's not the night and day that the dissenters contend), but I don't accept the 458 being held up as some sort of unimpeachable benchmark of Ferrari sound. Don't forget, there was much carping about the sound of the 458 within the first months of its release. Now we're expected to believe that this, and this alone, is how a Ferrari V8 should sound.

 

Very subjective (proper Ferrari sound) I like all of them, does that make me a proper Ferrari sound idiot ? I think not, Ferrari is not forcing anyone to buy the 488.
I personally like the sound toned down a bit so I don't feel like a 12 year old with baseball cards in his bicycle spokes.

 

Now that's a bit extreme LOL comparing the 458 sound to a cards in bicycle spokes.

Performance-wise sure 488 wins handily. There are a handful of us that feel the noise more than just in our ears, reminds us of the F1 cars of days past. It hits a note that brings us back to those days. I'm keeping my 458 and on a list for 488 Spyder.

 

Enjoy them both good luck and God Bless

 

Thank you for the offer, but my wife is perfect...she will only drive a manual transmission. And she says l drive too slow. Lol

 

The cards in the spokes comment meaning making noise to garner attention it was not meant to be a comparison.

 

I think S2000 is an economy car because you say so. It's actually a Honda's high end model. And you look down at their engine, I think they won many titles in F1 with their engines.

 

So high RPM and high compression are the only qualifications to be 'highly tuned'?

 

Don't put words in my mouth! I don't look down on Honda, quite the opposite. I just said that their engines rev high and their general line of engines is very similar.

We get it, you don't like turbos. Well, here's an idea. Don't buy one.

You still have not answered all the questions other members have asked you. You sound like an expert, so please enlighten us all with your wisdom and in-depth knowledge of the cheap and easy to build 488 engine.

Btw. Which titles have they won in F1?

 

Apparently so. Funny how a Top Fuel engine makes between 8000-10000 bhp at only 8000 rpm with a compression lower than the 458 engine. Yup, those Fuel cars are real street cruisers with their low compression, forced induction low revving engines

 

They won it using Turbo engines incidentally

 

Those Top Fuel engines must also be cheap because they're boosted. So cheaply made in fact that they have to be rebuilt after every run. If only they knew how to build a proper highly tuned engine....

Someone should direct those teams to this Fchat thread so they can see the light.

 

The engines on your regular sports bike (R1, GSXR, S1000RR, etc.) easily surpass the 458's 9,000-rpm and these things are everywhere, not exactly what you would call exotic.

 

I can't tell you which title they won because it's too many. But to make it simple, Ayrton Senna raced in F1 in late 80s with Honda's engine. Don't ask me which title had Senna won.

 

Bikes' engine is different, it has shorter connection to piston, that's why it revs very high.

 

Not all, there was 3.5L V10.

 

You always sing a song about 488, but I see you are still on a Scud, why don't you get one? If you sell your Scud now, you basically top up only a little bit to get the 488, so money shouldn't be a problem here. Or maybe you love the sound of your Scud, and not ready for a sucking sound (wind noise)? LOL

 

this dude Mik is hilarious. I enjoy driving my 488 over my 2014 and 2012 LP-700 and my 2014 was heavily modded. it sounded like a beast too. **** on any 458 sound. but I truly feel like my 488 feels better and is way more comfortable. it's smoother and definitely a lot quicker and nimble around turns. before my 458 was so much more inferior to my aventador. but now my 488 ain't backing down. it's a coin toss unless we hit over 160mph on the local highway. I don't do the track, but when we get together for quickstrikes, depending on road conditions, we've hit 188mph before and I know my 488 will hold its own. also now with my new capristo exhaust and cat delete straight pipes, it sounds rad.

btw, I owned a 360 CS and my cousin owned a scud. again, I owned a 458 and I'd never go back. this new ferrari just far more superior. facts not opinion

 

And your Aventador is turbocharged. Cool.

 

Well that's exactly the same (and only) reason the 458 revs higher than a 488 - a shorter stroke relative to bore.

 

Do you have a video of yours ?

 

Are you trying to say that Ferrari has been using bike engine in 458 and Speciale? LOL I don't think so.