F355 bursting into flames

Which is why my tech has shielded all oil lines and re-routed them when possible. He replaced one line with a steel pipe he fabricated...

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Be careful of unintended consequences. Solid pipe not properly supported can fail from vibration fatigue. It is a similar problem to soldering a connection vs. crimp in a high vibration environment. That said there is a way to solder and crimp under high vibration as there is a way to using a solid line vs. braided steel one. The problem is more like chess than checkers.

 

Looking at the videos of the OP who posted the tubi v caprista thread, i found this. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KpiDpj9Edpk

 

nice find

 

Good video
My 1995 M2.7 has 2 fuel pumps/filters so does not have the distribution block.

I think it's a better system

Why did the 5.2's go to a single fuel pump/filter system?

 

Some 2.7s also had a single fuel pump. Maybe your car was built in 1994 and registered in 95, very early cars had twin pumps IIRC.
It would seem the twin pumps might be better for engine bay fire safety.

 

Terrific video! Who is this guy? Long term owner seems very knowledgeable.

This should be stickied.

 

Great informative video. Heading out to the garage right now to check the placement of the water hose bolt head.

Obviously someone who is on FChat as he references the forum. It would be great if he would acknowledge himself as he seems to be someone of knowledge and a valuable asset to the 355 community.

 

Good call on this. My recall work on the fuel block was done less than 3 years ago by the then LA area factory shop (they are no longer a factory authorized shop). I just felt the braided hoses and the lower one nearest to the firewall is being worn away by the hose clamp and was worn through the SS outed covering and is starting to wear on the rubber.

Should this still be a warranty repair to take this to have it fixed?

 

Wow Peter! How about that? Can't get my car out from under the lift to open rear but I certainly will.

Great catch and kudos to the video maker.

 

The white marker in the photo is pointing to the fuel line that is damaged. With the rear deck lid on I can't get in with a mirror to take a better photo to show the actual worn line. These were replaced less than 3 years ago. I suggest that everyone check theirs. I felt around the line and can feel the frayed steel and the wear on the rubber hose underneath.

I just called the shop and they are standing behind their repair and will replace the line for me this coming week.
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Nice catch

The repair shop should never have mounted that clamp worm screw in a position to wear away the fuel line.

They should have known better

Someone could have died by being burnt to death

 

Mine seems to be rubbing on the "tail" of the hose clamp which is sticking up, not the bolt. It's on the bottom inside (firewall) of the lower hose. I'll post a photo once it comes back from the shop.

 

ROFLMAO

@ 2:53 into the video he lets one rip LOL


One thing he did not touch base on is the lid shocks rubbing the fuel lines also. That also has caused fires

 

LOL, i think that sound was were he was leaning against the convertible roof tail, it also happend at 1.32
Good call on the engine lid shocks rubbing fuel lines, i dint know that. If one was picky, you could also say he never spoke about the re fueling hose splitting..
Got to hand it to him though, his video has potentially saved a few 355s from fire, thats got to be good. After all its taken 20 years for someone to make a video like that.

 

Great thread. Made me go check my car. Looks like mine had the recall and all lines appear sound and have good clearance. In case anyone wants to read the recall TSB I found this document from Ricambi site:

https://ricambiamerica.files.wordpress.com/2015/11/rc48.pdf

 

Scary. Thanks for the info.

 

Interesting that the recalls purpose was to prevent "some" mechanics from incorrectly installing the water hose clamps. Yet even with the recall done, they can still be problematic.

 

You mean installing them the way the Ferrari factory did it before blaming their screw up on independent mechanics? Typical Ferrari BS. Build a car badly then blame the fallout on someone else.

 

The TSB is dated 11/2009. Does that mean it took them 10-15 years to recognize the problem?

From the looks of my car, the recall gives the fuel lines plenty of room around the hoses. Did the car originally have any clips on the fuel lines?

 

No, that was not the first TSB. It means it took them that long to fix it.

You sound surprised. It is a long standing process for Ferrari. When denials, then verbal blame and finger pointing quits working then written blame takes over. Eventually fixing the problem takes place but not without reminders it was never really their fault in the first place.

SOP.

 

I get what your saying Brian.

I was questioning that it appears that if the clamps are not preventatively oriented away from the lines that even with the recall done there can still be abrasion.

Correct?

As emac said it appears that there is room to avoid this issue now and maybe there was less room before the recall?

 

If the fuel hoses are routed and mounted correctly and the correct coolant hose clamps are used it should be impossible for an interference to take place. There is substantial space with the 2nd and 3rd generation fuel distribution block.

The first TSB only addressed changing the hose clamp orientation from the way the factory initially installed them. It cannot be a permanent fix because that clamp is removed for routine service and for Ferrari to suggest that as a fix to prevent fire went beyond negligent. They knew there was a problem. They knew there had been fires and did nothing to stop it.