330 GTC window motor

Several years ago an article was published which suggested replacing the motors with items from the rear tailgate of a contemporary Ford (?) station wagon. It could have been in FML or Prancing Horse.

I think the GTC windows are always slow, even after a total strip down and cleaning of the cables!

 

Are the 330 GTC window motors same/similar to Ducellier & Co. ones found in Daytona ?
If so and having successfully restored/serviced several pairs in past, I'd say they are relatively easy to rebuild/service, assuming armature or any other major components are not broken.
Here's a one set I recently restored for one of the Daytonas I'm working on. I even covered them with rubberized coating (just like O.E.M.) and assisted Parker Hall to "reproduce" decals for them by providing a good sample.

As for the window crank, Tom S. or Parker would be my first choices to inquire from.
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Sounds like a good "for the time being" replacement. I would also recommend rebuilding O.E. motors, if for nothing else than to have ready if the 308 replacements fail and no longer available or the car is subjected to full concourse restoration in the future.

 

I see there is a reference to the Ford windows in another posting on Tom Yang's site, so if all else fails.....

Let us know how you get on with replacement units as mine are intermittently playing up.

John

 

I don't know if the GT uses the same motors as the GTC, but the 330 GT windows are actually quite speedy.

 

I'd imagine that any new window winder motor you can find from an Alfa parts supplier will fit, so long as the shaft is the same length. Other enthusiasts will know its not original, however, due to the snappy performance. The window will now wind up effortlessly, instead of the expected "WHHHIRRRRRRRRR..RRRR..RRR.....RRR....R.......R...........R....."

 

I've found same to be the case with 365 GTB/4s, though most, including many "fully restored" examples I've seen don't seem to have ever been subjected to proper window lift system service, restoration or even reasonable adjustment/maintenance efforts.
This, of course, is probably compounded by hap hazard efforts employed when the cars were originally built.
I've found that to get 365 GTB/4 power windows working at their optimum, the efforts along with proper service of all motor, gear and cable drive components can also require comprehensive "metal surgery" (i.e re-aligning/-locating cable wheel brackets, re-fitting/-forming door window frames, etc.).

 

While in the mechanical restoration of 9593 my shop recommended rewiring the power directly to the motor and using a window switch controlled relay to operate. I now have the fastest GTC windows on the planet

 

Sorry, I'm not that knowledgeable on concourse car shows. I assume they don't pull off door panels to check things out, are you required to list things that are not visible that are not original?

 

Although having heard of (Corvette or ??) judging procedures beyond just audible and visual observations, I myself have never seen interior panel or other mounted component removal required during any concours judging and don't expect it in near future either, at least in any FCA-IAC/PFA sanctioned events. I was merely suggesting to a (rather small ?) chance that one might run into to a judge who could be knowledgeable enough on all aspects of given model to pause and question the originality of a window motor or any number of other components just on its operational sound, especially if tie is to be broken. And if that judge is confident enough in his/her accessement, the purden of proof might fall on the entrant.

Above, of course, is quite hypothetical and extreme example, but on the other hand, could perhaps serve as basis for self-contemplation to any self-respecting vintage car enthusiast whether he/she deems it appropriate to submit a car to or better yet accept an award for it in a concours judging based on originality (i.e. FCA-IAC/PFA guide lines), knowing it contains questionable amount of hidden/undisclosed(?) non-original replacement components, especially if O.E. components are available and/or serviceable ?

Fortunately in OPs case, he found and sourced a knowledgeable (& better yet, local !) service provider capable of getting the O.E. equipment working correctly.

 

HI,
I thought I should post a picture of the emergency window winder from my old 365 GTC. I am fairly sure it is original and will certainly be much easier to use than the one shown earlier. These are quite easy to make and are very effective in practice.
It says a lot about the confidence placed in the reliability of electric window motors that the company bothered with emergency handles in the first place but the mechanism, manufactured by Fispa, is really nicely made. You can see the little sprung loaded shuttle which is pushed down by the end of the winder to engage manual drive in the second photo.
I know that some owners have lost the manual winders over the years and that quite a few re-trimmed door cards can be found without a hole punched through for the winder.
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Here's what mine looks like ('66 330 GTC) - same as Colin's. Pretty sure it's an original piece. I know Patrick Ottis mentioned to me that he has a place in Berkeley that can make reproductions.
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Same as my '68 GTC and I am sure that is original.

 

Guys, thanks for the photos of the E handle, it's inspired me to make one for my car, do you know what the diameter of the rod is?

Tom in SoCal

 

Regret the car is at the other end of the country now Tom, in hibernation for the winter!

 

This should help you. I think the bar is 8mm. I don't have calipers so I measured out mine with a metric ruler. I had my car out for a drive this morning, so easy to grab this out of the trunk and measure it. Good luck!
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Thanks Jim, well done, you have saved me and maybe others a lot of guessing.

Tom in SoCal.

 

A few years ago my passenger window motor failed whilst my wife and I were on a driving holiday in Europe. Having a right hand drive car you can imagine what trouble I would have been in at toll booths etc if Sue had not been able to wind her window up and down easily and I was so glad that I had always kept the winder in my glove box.
I wrote a little article about our trip for the owners club magazine and a few days later had a message from a fellow 365 GTC owner to say that he didn't have a winder for his car and what were they like. Anyhow I then set about making one for him, which I did from some 8mm diameter stainless steel rod. The original items were made in mild steel and plated, but it seemed so much easier to use stainless and save the extra expense for one item of plating. I made a little bending jig, which I have just dusted off and photographed so you can get the idea. I couldn't find the lever I made to pull the roller around the static pin and seem to think I may have used it for something else since.
Obviously I could now go into mass production, but actually just had fun making one piece for a friend, who paid me back with a wonderful magnum bottle of red wine. A great swop. If you do decide to make one can I suggest that you should drill the cross hole before you bend the crank!
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