It's still FFugly. :(
It's a pity Ferrari reveals new models using renders rather than unretouched photographs. When the actual cars are used, the wheel gaps are bigger and the stretched images give way to actual photos which don't look as good. I'm reserving judgement until I see the car at Geneva but my guess is that it will look more like a facelifted FF than a new car.
Thank You. As a long time 2+2 F car customer I remain disappointed. I was sincerely hoping they'd build the coupe variant that circulated many of the blogs and press worldwide. Sure this is better than the FF, but the only reason the car sells at all is because it's a Fantastic car, not because of the styling. If they would lose this damned shooting brake design, they'd hit this one out of the park. I may have to continue to sit this one out- I am one for now that is holding on dearly to my last gen 612 OTO, within which I remain in a love affair.
Agree on the photos, but can't agree on the other. PF has a clearly elegant and slightly understated signature missing from all new Fcars. The rear end, the sides, the front, the interior .... this is a new car.
looking at the above photo of the rear ends the opening into the new back will be a lot smaller with the boot open-I,and a lot of others,use their FF as a practical car - so utilising the rear boot space will be much more limited with the new design.
Looks good so far. But im not so sure about the name, i understand it's a very classical name - and thats fits the FF, but Ferrari should have just called it the GTE4, the reference to past historical models is not really needed with the newly released cars (GTE4 Lusso, 488, F12tdf etc...) IMO. However one thing i love - the Rear. Looks absolutely gorgeous... interior's also very nice with the - i suppose - touch screen in the center.
The ONLY reason I love my FF is the design of the Current FF (and although the design for the GTC4Russo is just minor changes, they are of that sort that turns me off, the rear for example - never mind that the Lusso is a larger and higher car). I would NEVER go for the 612 - it's just an ugly car.
I have a 2012 FF, which I love. But I have no problem at all in saying that the new car looks to be an absolutely wonderful update of it. The GTC will be brilliant I believe, and that does not make the FF any less of a great car. I also don't believe it will do much to residuals of the FF, especially early ones that have already depreciated a lot. They will move into new hands, people who don't want to shell out £250k-£280k on a new car. Those who bought a late model FF most likely paid nothing near full price for the privilege so there will still be a gap there too, although no doubt a 2015 FF will depreciate just as hard as the early ones did a couple of years ago. The 612 will keep the floor of the FF stable - currently around £140-£150k in the UK, may lose up to another £20k over the next couple of years but not more IMV. It's always interesting to me how existing owners of a model tend to not see the merits of its replacement, until they buy one, at which point it is clearly better. There is an obvious reason for this of course, but where Ferraris are concerned, customers are usually pretty savvy people who have done something remarkable to get their wealth, so maybe the obvious reason doesn't apply? I've seen this new car compared to Japanese designed cars at the rear, one poster even reckons it is a nailed-on Mazda 3 copy, with pictures posted that look only similar because both the GTC and the Mazda sit on four wheels - is glaucoma a raging problem on this Forum? I know appearance is very subjective but there is a degree to which cars are either marmite or universally liked. The GTC is far closer to the latter and the FF the former and I don't really think that is too subjective. The GTC is nearly fully resolved as far as I can tell from the pictures. I also think it is very very hard to conclude that the GTC is not significantly better looking than the FF. And I still love my FF. And I will still enjoy driving my FF. Right up until the day it is left in the safe hands of my dealer as I drive away in a new GTC hopefully.
Different strokes for different folks. I think it's fair to say FF styling has been controversial from its introduction. I didn't care for 612 looks at first, but the elegant lines are reminiscent of historical F car styling and have faired well over the years. I find the FF's roofline awkward, like many of us, but the car itself is otherwise so Great that many can overlook the shape even if they agree with me. And with time the shape will likely become more accepting as Ferrari solidifies it's commitment to this shape through the Lusso. Indeed it could cause other mfgr's to follow suit in a sort of automotive fashion statement. The Lusso makes a better case of the shape for many of us, but I remain disappointed that they didn't massage the shape more significantly coupe-like. But then again in hindsight I suppose that that may have been wishful thinking and that they did do as much as they could. I have the last of the 612 OTO cars, a Beautiful example with updates and remains very relevant. But I'm a longtime 4 place customer and I really looked forward to the FF and it's successor. I love the cars very much, but for the moment I remain unsold on the rooflines unfortunately- the rest of the car, however, is a superb.
I'm with you on this. I love my FF but will happily replace it with the GTC4 and I've been first in line for it at my dealer since about a month after I got my FF back in 2012 because I knew as soon as they updated the car I'd have another one. I have to assume most of the people who wanted a more radical roofline change don't actually own an FF. One of the most beautiful things about the car is how much cargo you stuff into it and how it is properly comfortable for folks in the back. I don't want a smaller car. I don't want them to go back to 2+2 cars that had little more room in the back than a 911. Although this makes the car bigger it never ever handled likes big car - it always drives and handles like a Ferrari! And now it's going to be even faster with even more usable torque at lower revs! Awesome! Do I have any concerns? Yes. I'm a little nervous that the e-diff and 4 wheel steering could change the driving feel in negative ways. My FF has a beautiful black nappa leather interior with white contrasted diamond stitching on the seats and ceiling. I hope that's still an option because I'm not immediately drawn to the new seat designs but they'll probably look much better in person. These appear to be renders, not actual photographs and I suspect they'll offer multiple configurations like they did before. But I love the updated styling, I'm looking forward to checking out the new touch screen, I like having the extra buttons for using the phone, I think I'm going to like the steering wheel control changes, I'm hopeful that they'll update cruise control to be more useful (show set speed, have resume/coast functions/off buttons) and I'm looking forward to keyless entry/start and hoping they work like other cars so I can leave the key in my pocket. While we're at it I'm hoping there's an external button to open the rear hatch and it works with the keyless entry but I wouldn't be bothered if there weren't.
I loved the original FF but the rear end always bothered me, like the designers weren't sure how to finish it. With this new refresh, the car is stunning at all angles and because of that, not only will it hold resale values better, but it is now the ultimate grand tourer.
Thanks for posting the comparison pics - I feel the GTC4 shoulders are a lot wider than the FF this helps take the bulk out of the rear - just IMO
Was wondering too about the possibility of an adaptive cruise control... After all this is a tourer and I have grown very fond of that feature.
The rear view of the new GTC4 reminds me of the 365 GTB/4. Especially the tilt of the rear panel between the dual tail lights on both cars. The wrap around trunk lip above the tail lights also looks familiar to. Those new dual tail lights were selected even though they encroach on the GTC4 trunk opening; something single tail lights would better resolve... Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
Interesting, styling elements you would expect on the F12 replacement (the Daytona being the predecessor of the F12) instead on the FF's. A similar discrepancy on the F12 and 250 Lusso: Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
FWIW, I see more 275 GTB4 and 250 GTL (Lusso) in the F12 than Daytona. I see more Daytona in the 599. But that is just to each their own and makes for a fun discussion. Furthermore, I wish they called the F12berlinetta "Lusso" and not the 4 seater because both have shark nose and Kamm tails. Both kind of have a more extreme direct sibling 250 GTO for 250 GTL and F12tdf for F12berlinetta.
Totally agree. Once you use adaptive cruise, normal cruise seems a bit pointless. I know Ferrari is not really about this type of thing, but as Mark NC said, practicality and the ability to take people and luggage in a car that drives like a Ferrari and, well, IS a Ferrari, is an essential part of the FF/GTC appeal. Hope they thought about that but probably not.
Still "Lusso" translates as luxury and the F12 has more 'sporting' pretensions. With GTC4 Lusso as a 4 seater is the modified F12 2 seater going to be offered in the GTB4 Competizione version eventually?
