Will the F12 get major changes ?

Sorry, you are correct in that 2019 is definitely too early, but maybe not by much. I really don't see the full on F12 successor appearing next year as, aside from anything else, the lines will still be humming with the tdf and possibly an Aperta. The M, yes.

 

Good points but the answer to your question is here:

RACE: Summary for Ferrari N.V. Common Shares- Yahoo! Finance

They will need to make more and faster....

 

There's no doubt that going public adds pressure, but I'm not sure how that contradicts my points. In my view it only validates them. If they want to sell more cars and increase stock value, wouldn't it make the most sense that the new cars are the latest and greatest? A good percentage of buyers are very interested in getting the next new thing and it being faster and more powerful than the last model - no matter what it was. Also, I can't see how releasing a car that is a stronger performer than the current model will negatively affect the stock market. They will increase production and there's a lot of talk about some Dino thing around 2018 or whenever, and that's part of how they will increase their financial strength - but again I don't see how this can affect the front engined V12 as to make it a "lesser performer" than it normally would be. You think they will do it to make it cheaper and increase sales? I doubt it. I think this market is already thought of with the arrival of the Dino and the entry level Cali T.

 

Perhaps we are just missing each other a bit because I agree with what you are getting at. My point is they will be under increasing to bring those latest and greatest out sooner. I'm not saying the V12 will be a lesser performer at all. You said its always like that and why should it change- apologies if my point wasn't clear. I'm not debating that the next car will be better. I'm just point out I think the next car will come sooner and hopefully for Ferrari with some more sales volume.

To my mind, they won't make the car a lesser performer or cheaper, to the contrary, they will need as I mentioned before: more sales volume and faster model refresh to keep the market interested especially for likely a high margin big price car. And I am sure the performance will continue to be improved. I'm arguing maybe under the old setup the F12 platform successor would arrive around 2022, but now its likely we see it sooner- maybe 2021- or maybe they give a showing in mid to late 2020. If so then Traveller's 2019 number isn't really too far off.

Its really anyone's guess. Its just fun to have the discussion about something we all enjoy.

 

F12Berlinetta beats Enzo/F60 in almost every way. So F12 successor should beat LaF too.

Almost 20% power increase 599 to F12B would give close to 900hp for F12 successor.

 

The F12 is two product cycles newer compared to the Enzo (at that time we still had the 575). Applying the same logic, it is the successor of the F12's successor that will match the LaFerrari. Plus, the LF was a bigger jump over the Enzo than the Enzo was over the F50. Ferrari will keep the LF as their top dog until its own successor comes out.

 

No doubt- he's just pointing out how performance increases all the time. While it makes for fun "pub talk" that an F12b can hang with an Enzo around a track- it really is a different ownership and driving proposition all together. Just different parts of the meal. I think we all accept whatever car they come out next in a series will feature improved performance. Some will say that makes it better. Others will feel something was lost. I think the problem is we fall into the trap of wanting to be "right". There is no right and wrong. Just what is a good fit for you at any given point in your life.

I really love these cars so I say bring it on.

 

It appears that they'll do what they did with the 599 and 599 GTO. The TDF is the limited farewell to the F12 platform. They'll replace the F12 with something totally new.

 

I think you're quite right, and yes it's great to discuss these things back and forth.

The only thing I can see standing in the way in terms of launching a new model more often than they do, is the development. Let's put it this way. Ferrari can either update their current lineup more often, or add new cars. If they do the latter, as with adding the Dino, they will always have cars to show at the major events - whether it being a new model or a VS. As long as they can show potential buyers that there's something new, they will have the attention. That can be with a larger range of models or a more frequent replacement of a smaller lineup. Me, I think they will go with the former not only to have new cars to show and keep the ability to develop existing lines, but also to attract a broader market.

Only time will tell and a lot of things can change within the next 10 years.

 

So do people think the front engined - rear transmission with hybird/emotor patent that Ferrari registered is for the F12M or for the one after that? At least I thought I read sth along those lines on the Sport Auto webpage.

Edit: found the article again http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/news/ferrari-meldet-patent-fuer-hybridsportwagen-an-10535871.html

Quoting autocar info

 

The one after, the F12 successor.

 

Got it, thanks

 

That would be very nice for the F12 legacy if true. Not so sure though given the refresh of the FF which is typical of the refresh cycle plan.

 

Can somebody mock up how the F12 successor will look with the rear treatment from the Lusso? Seems likely Ferrari will go to quad tail lights. Should look great.

 

Well when Ferrari did IPO they focused on luxery as a brand. Now that makes it possible to NOT produce more cars, and well just increase price. I am not shure they will go volume at all, more likly more exclusive and maybe shorter (5 years product cycles?) timecycles. Remember that for some people high price might be more importent than anything else....

I guess we will see, but no I do not think larger production volumes at all. Maybe a Dino but not more of current models.