Any ideas how many FFs were built in total?

I doubt there will ever be better data than that as contained in the thread based on your estimate last May !! 2500-3000 ?

 

1263 sold in Europe from 2011-2015 (from left lane).

 

According to the people from Ferrari at Villa Erba, more than from any other 2+2 seater before. So I think it's more than 4.000.

 

If first year production of 800 units was continued regardless of orders, it may have a shot at being that high of a run (4000 units). Based on some of the lease specials that were out there, that may well be the case.

Ferrari have stated that the FF is easily the most driven of their models to date. A big impact on future collectability won't completely be tied to the number of vehicles produced (still a relatively small size to begin with), but how many of those vehicles end up being few owner and low mile examples. When special/limited edition vehicles are purchased and owned knowing that they have a potential for future collectability, many more of the production run have a shot at maintaining the things required for them to be collectible examples. For the most part, the FF wasn't ever thought to be a garage queen. People bought them and drove them like they were the all around, all weather, "utility vehicle" it can very easily be. As these "drivers" collect the miles and subsequently find their way to the next owner (who also can't, and shouldn't) resist driving it, the truly collectible sample will get smaller and smaller if the past is any indicator of the future.

As far as the 2+2 aspect of the FF vs past 2+2s, there is in my mind a pretty big difference between the legitimate 4 adult seating of the FF and 2 adult and bags of many other 2+2s. The future secondary market size of individuals interested in the former is much larger. That doesn't have anything, necessarily, to do with future collectability, more so a potential comment on the future price curve of the FF (maybe a higher low than historical 2+2s). It's all going out the window curve wise though when people are bringing 100k mile FF's in for service. Time will tell.

Anyway, I love mine. Could gush about it for days. Not saving it for the next guy. And every time the back end tries to come out when I'm driving in the snow and it snaps back, I literally smile and think, what an awesome car.

 

Interesting perspective. I prefer Ferrari race cars more than the street production cars, but the FF is one that I can see owning in place of my Cayenne GTS. If one is going to drive for the sake of driving, drive a race car. Otherwise, drive something that can be enjoyed with friends and family.

 

Bring your checkbook to the test drive unless you think you need the additional 8 cubic feet of cargo space (16 vs 24) on a regular basis. Sharing the passion with family and friends 2x2 in the 2+2.

 

800 first year, 500 every other year!

 

We actually do know the official numbers for the years 2012–14, from page 85 of Ferrari's IPO prospectus found here:
https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1648416/000164841615000004/newbusinessnetherlands.htm

The FF is the V12 GT, of course. Full year shipments:

2014: 394

2013: 436

2012: 1,061

Given how 89 vehicles were shipped in the first quarter 2015, I'd wager the total for last year was about 300~400.

 

Nice detective work there
From that it's possible to get a ballpark total with some reasonable assumptions...

2015 numbers probably in line with 2014 is likely to be pretty accurate...
2011 numbers probably half or less than 2012 (200 delivered in Europe in 2011 and 500 units in 2012 in Europe)...

On that basis

2011 500ish
2012 1061
2013 436
2014 394
2015 350 (based on 150 in Europe vs 180 in Europe in 2014)
2016 50? (Guess?)

Total approx ~ 2750 - 2800 maybe less...

 

Looking at the numbers, it appears that the production numbers have been diminishing year by year.

Was wondering if Ferrari ships a certain minimum number per quarter/year to each dealer?

If a dealer didn't get any customer orders, would the factory send them an FF anyway?

If there was an unanticipated surge in demand how many more could the factory have produced --does the parts supply have an effect?

 

No
No
No

 

Interesting replies.

Does anyone know how these FF numbers compare with the 612 production run?

 

CL- Very nice, thanks. Here are two useful tables from the prospectus in Word.
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Wrong
Wrong
Wrong

You need better info and a relationship with you dealer. They 100% are required to take delivery on a # of FFs and F12s Which is why there are actually dealer spec'd FF on the showroom floor.

Do some more research Brian.

 

100% correct.

 

One dealer said no. I will ask another ...

Certainly there was no parts issue with the 15 and 16 FFs, they (Ferrari) were just wanting to wind it down.

(EDIT) Confirmed they must take a few year, my apologies.

 

Im confused on the 2012 numbers when this was published by Motortrend, from ferrari?

"Ferrari states that the FF was the world's fastest four-seat automobile[9] upon its release to the public. The FF costs US$300,000,[10] with 800 being produced during the first year.[11]"

 

Brian,

Before making 'factual' statements do a little research, spend some time with a dealer and embed yourself in the local Ferrari community. I realize you bought an FF 2nd hand (from a dealer?) and LOVE your car but apparently you don't understand the Ferrari community or market. Everyone who spends time with their dealer understands the pressure the dealers have to sell V12s and the occasional (frequent for FF) need for them to spec a car on their own and have a showroom car (contrary to popular belief).

There are all kinds of shenanigans that happen with dealer spec'd cars, ranging from shadow buyers to quick filps.

Until you have participated in direct dealer negotiations, trade ins and new car sales, I submit that you are not qualified to provide advice.

I really appreciate your opinions on this board but keep opinions separate from fact please.

 

It was one mistake, quickly clarified and apologized. Not worthy of a lecture. Thanks dad.

Are you refuting the notion that Ferrari was wanting to sell as few FF as possible lately?

 

Since when a car manufacturer wants to sell as little of a car especially late in the model cycle? There simply was very little demand and proof was the leases they were pushing hard in the USA (funny story to illustrate: I walked in the Park Ave Ferrari store a year ago and spend a few minutes looking at the FF, the person came and the second thing she said after how beautiful the car is was they offer really good leases right now).

We know you love the FF and hate the Lusso but fact is the controversial design made the FF a really hard sell in the last years and today most dealers don't want to put FF on their floors unless at low prices.

In many regards the 612 and FF production are very similar. And they should, it the same car segment from the same manufacturer. The late year demand on the 612 was even lower than the FF because of the financial crisis and lack of PDK vs by then obsolete F1 gearbox. Controversial design of the 612 didn't help either although the FF was even more controversial.

Little doubt the depreciation curve will be very similar too with the twist that there was no special version of the FF (no Sessanta, no manual, no OTO).

 

Probably due to timing differences between Orders, Production and Delivery. There is probably even some numbers from Fall 2011 to include in any actual Total.

 

Ferrari is not a mass market company. They are a scarcity manufacturer. Fact is they are not dying to sell cars and so YES Ferrari was wanting to MOVE ON from the FF lately ... so yes they were not wanting to sell FF. That did happen in the last year.

Parts are never an issue, they MAKE the parts as needed. Sales is never an issue, the FF sold very well, all Ferrari sales are great.


Second fact Jasone ... confirmed by phone call with my dealer is that allocations are NOT REQUIRED purchases. When you are OFFERED a car you would be a FOOL to not accept it. But this is not a mandate as with other makers, it's simply how it's done in a scarcity market. Why would you not spec a car that was offered? This is not a mandate it's an opportunity to have stock.

This is what I was trying to say earlier, the idea that dealers MUST take a certain number of cars is wrong. They are OFFERED cars and they would be stupid to refuse as there is a scarcity of supply. Even with the FF in 2012-2015. In the last year, however, dealers knew a new model was coming as there was less allocation, and a special order was resisted.

 

A manufacturer needs to set a production target in advance in order to organize things.
Ferrari look at their dealer customer order lists to help inform the process.

I'm sure that with a brand new model , such as the FF, there will be a lot of initial interest. But after that initial wave is over, the question is will the demand stay the same, go even higher, or drop off.

Again the dealer waiting lists are very useful.

If demand goes higher, then Ferrari is going to keep production the same or maybe increase. There are limits to increases probably due to production time and maybe part supply too.

If demand drops off, then Ferrari will reduce production so as not to flood the market. Yes that does maintain scarcity but as a side effect of low demand.

By having different models and by being a small boutique operation they are nimble enough to re-organize a bit and make a little more of the models which have higher demand during a particular quarter or year, within a range.