Another Toolkit Question - 87 328GTB

Hi All,

I finally decided to spend some time analysing the 2 toolkits in my car. 87-328 -GTB

I took a few pictures of the contents and I am trying to compare them to pictures on the internet. Alas, the pictures on the internet don't help at all.

The toolkits for sale on Ebay all proclaim they are OEM, but they all look different. So I ask here, what am I missing from these kits?

The 8 wrenches are a combination of Polytools and Utema N1000 on one side and the other side has chrome-vanadium without the Ferrari logo. I know that I am missing the spark plug tool and the window crank tool. The four screwdrivers are orange translucent without the Ferrari logos. Is the pliers correct, chrome/red handles without a Ferrari logo?

The jack tool kit, I think that I am missing the little round kit with the spare light bulbs. I think that I am also missing 2 belts. Is the flashlight/Allen Key OEM? Also the 2 spark plugs are in a small black vinyl pouch, is this correct? Are any off these things supposed to have Ferrari logos?

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I see you have the flashlight but where are the gloves?


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Well, I'll leave what's correct for a 328 tool kit to Bruno later

Your jack kit is of the correct black type. I usually disregards the belts in the jack kit though and you are missing some. You will also need the gray coloured spare bulb/fuse holder and the emergency triangle if your 328 is a Euro car.

The light is not correct for your car, it should be the pictured type below. (Picture grabbed from eBay) But the pouch seems to be the correct one! Get a light without pouch or sell the pouch separately
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The tool kit is not a 328 kit... It has Polytools/Utema mixed wrenches and that's fine and that also indicates the kit to be 1982-1983. The screwdrivers are from later period tool kits. The pliers are correct for Polytools wrench kits. Your tool kit pouch has a grayish coloured inner clothe lining which appears mostly in early 308 kits, later ones are usually black. It looks like a mix to me but not correct for your car anyway.

See the 308 tool kit thread and you can visualize the differences.

 

OK, Steven, here I go again...

Once again: the 328 tool roll is the essence of simplicity because there was NO VARIATION in its composition during the whole 328 production. Therefore, there is only ONE typical tool roll that is 100% correct and that you can buy with eyes closed, as we say in French ("acheter les yeux fermés"), because you are 100% sure that it will do the trick: find one EXACTLY like the pictures here enclosed, and bingo! You are right. It has the factory part number "127589" written on the roll, and must not be confused with any other.

The typical 328 tool roll is enclosed hereunder:

- four screwdrivers, translucent dark red/brown handle with "Ferrari" white script (note that a few cars among the '85 and early '86 production may have screwdrivers without the white script on the handle) [two large screwdrivers: one flat blade, one philipps; two small one flat blade, one philipps]

- eight wrenches (spanners for some of our readers) marked "Chrom Vanadium Kravm" on one side of the handle, "Ferrari" on the other: seven are "open mouthed" both sides, but the 14/14 is a combination wrench, its eyelet side going on the spark plug tool:
22/20; 19/18; 17/16; 14/14 combination wrench; 13/12; 11/10; 9/8; 7/6.
There are two sort of finish for the metal, one "bright chrom", one "dull chrom".
Note that a very, very small number of original tool rolls have wrenches/spanners that are marked "Chrom vanadium Kravm" on BOTH sides, i.e, no "Ferrari" on either side; but this is very rare.

(No window crank in a 328 tool roll; only a small number, not more than a few dozen, of early production cars got the plug in the doors)

- a pair of pliers with dark/black metal beak, orange thick plastic sheath on the handles with "finger guard", which are usually marked in white "Ferrari" on one side, "Kravm" on the other.

- a spark plug tool of the "small crown" type (18mm inside) because the 3,2 engine has 12mm plugs which are smaller than the 3,0 engine 14mm plugs (spark plug tool is 21mm inside the crown)

Pictures are from the one of my '89 GTS, 80515; note that the finish of the wrenches are of the "dull chrom" type:
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The factory "127589" label on the tool roll (note that today, almost all tool rolls have, at best, faded numbers on this label...if the sticker is still there! This one still looks brand new)
The second picture is a tool roll photograph taken from one of Michael Sheehan's listings for a late production car, #81904, it shows #127589 roll, to prove that THIS IS THE STANDARD 328 tool rool. Should you spend big bucks to buy one, BUY ONE EXACTLY LIKE THIS!
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In the jack bag, to my eye you are missing the orange battery strap, the bulb box, the accessory belts (just for decoration purpose, because thirty year old belts, well...).

There was no flash light in the jack bag, this came later with cars like the 355/550, and on these cars it goes into the leather pouch for the owner manuals, which has two leather "belts" to secure it inside the pouch.
There was no Allen wrench either in the 328 jack bag.

The vinyl pouch, as said by Steven, is for the auxiliary light (of which there were two types with different plugs). The spark plugs go in two small "pockets" that are provided into the jack bag, along the "compartment" for the bulb box.

If your car is an "Euro", then it would also miss the emergency triangle, brand "Costaplastik", which mere mostly in gray or beige or green plastic sheath.

Rgds

 

The standard 328 jack bag bulb box is this one (first pic)

Although some cars got the older green "Rotor" bulb box. Remember that 328 have blade fuses, so if your bulb box is an older "Rotor", it has a kind of "curved plastic bridge" inserted inside to hold the blade fuses (pic #2 and #3, on a '89 swiss car, proving that even the late-production cars may have had the older "Rotor" bulb box from OEM)
Note that the purpose of pics #2 and #3 is also to show that on US cars, the central cradle holds a spark plug, whereas on "euro" cars (and Swiss) it holds a replacement light bulb (you didn't need these in the US as your cars have got sealed beams)

Rgds
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As illustration, both tool rolls in the links here enclosed that are for sale on E-Bay (I do not have any affiliation, etc…) seem correct to me...
BUT the wrenches/spanners look in both cases not to be from a same, coherent, serie, as when the wrenches are with all “mouthes” oriented the same way (mouthes inclined all in the same direction) on some handles you read “Chrom Vanadium Kravm”, on others “Ferrari”…so in each case I would before buying ask for a picture of the reverse side of the handles: I think these might be set of wrenches that were build piece by piece.

Look at the pictures of one of my sets that I have posted above as a reference: all "mouthes" oriented in the same direction, the eight inscriptions on the eight handles is the same.

GENUINE FERRARI ORIGINAL KRAVM TOOL KIT - 308 328 GTB GTS QV MONDIAL - IN POUCH | eBay

Ferrari Tool Kit Roll Bag Bordwerkzeug 328 308 | eBay

 

I always forget about the battery strap even that I got one just for collection purpose...
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And the different plugs of the emergency auxiliary light...
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Bruno you should consider creating the 328 tool and jack kit thread!

 

Well I'm not sure there is a need for one, as it is much more standard and simple than the evolution of the 308 tool rolls: basically, there is only one that is correct, with slight variations, but you cannot get wrong by buying the standard one, as said above. Child's play, actually, compared to 308s...

(I am still looking for a 328 spark plug tool, by the way, to complete an extra tool roll that I have and only need this now to be complete)

Rgds

 

You guys are f$$king amazing!!!

I could not anywhere near get this type of info just by using the "great Googler in the sky" or ebay.

Like I mentioned, Everyone on EBAY has factory OEM toolbags for sale, but they all look different. Looks like they are all just trying to cash in on overpriced toolbags.

Thanks a million.

Regards

 

Well I just purchased one off ebay for $160 yesterday, that is why I have been refocusing on the proper setup

Regards

 

Is that the eBay one I posted earlier in the 308 tool kit thread? That's a spark plug wrench for 308 not 328, if so. Inside crown measurement is about 21mm for the 308 type and about 18mm for the 328 type...

 

Actually, if you got the disease badly, just like Big Tex, Piezo and myself, and already have the right one for your car(s), you are more or less a "tool collector"; so buying things that are not exactly "right" isn't too much of a problem, as long as the tools are OEM Equipment, because you can sell the ones you don't need, and try to assemble a correct one of any type just for the fun, that would be useful to somebody else in the future.
It is not always a question of making money, just a hobby (this from a guy who has the big round piece of Schedoni luggage that goes in the F-40 front trunk as decoration in his living);
But it is true that it is enraging indeed to spend money on something that the seller claims is right, to discover a few weeks later that it is not "exactly" right...

Rgds

 

It is being sold as a 308, 328, Mondial spark plug tool.

Well looks like I will be returning it if it is wrong,

Ferrari 308 365 328 Spark Plug Wrench Tool KIT BAG 20 8 21 Mondial | eBay

 

Yes, exactly: the trouble is that:
a) most sellers actually do not know that there is a different spark plug tool for the 308 and 328.
b) they are VERY difficult to distinguish by the eye, unless they are side-by-side.

The only right answers come from people who have actually a 12mm plug and a 14mm one side-by-side to try the spark plug tool on these...
I bought one last year on E-Bay Italy, had some exchanges with the seller asking him if it was "a 328 spark plug tool which are smaller, etc..."
He said "I'm 100% sure"; and it was the wrong one...
(but I sold it later to a friend, so I was at least "balanced" in the end).

Rgds

 

There is no such thing as a spark plug tool common to the whole family, but, to be fair, most sellers (see my post above) do not know this: they believe that the whole 3x8 and Mondial family have the same plugs.

The large one (to the eye, the difference is subtle) for 14mm plugs that is 21mm inside the crown is correct for the "i"s, the QVs, the "Mondial 8", the Mondial QVs, plus all the Turbos which have the 2 valve engine (even the later "Turbo intercooler" which are 328 cousins)

The small one for 12mm plugs (18 mm Inside crown) is rarer: it is specific to the 3,2 engine, so only 328s and "Mondial 3,2".

Rgds

 

Thanks Bruno,
Out of curiosity I just checked both my tool kit and my jack roll..
My tool kit is exactly as you described,only thing missing is the part number sticker label..

Jack kit is also identical,only thing missing is the 2 spark plugs..mine has the green globe container..
This is for my 87' 328GTS Euro/UK model

 

From my 86 328 GTS. Let me know if you want a jack roll pic too.
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