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The 570GT sounds like an interesting DD It's a luxury version of the 570S - OVERVIEW

IMO McLaren are a more nimble and entrepreneurial company compared to Ferrari

 

The new Dino will be used like a 911 or GT4 only if/or when it is priced like one. A $90K Dino would get driven a lot, with subsequent used examples with many tens of thousands of miles on the odo. A $200K plus Dino will get driven very little, however, just like all other modern Ferrari's.

Sadly, suspect the latter scenario is most likely.

 

I think the 570s is the best product McLaren has made. I think it's a fantastic car. The interior is beautiful and the exterior IMO better than the P1 -- and it's the reason Ferrari will make "a Dino".

The problem is there are no Mac Dealers in Las Vegas. All repair has to be done in Newport -- 400 miles away.

 

My guess is they want a base MSRP around 180 with 210 out the door but that's just a guess. Having a price like this allows the 488 varients to keep creeping up in price.

I bet they want to make 10,000 a year world wide.

 

Ferrari will make "a Dino"? Yes, but, maybe if...

I'm with you Mayor, the 570S a direct hit. IMO at the moment the car with the most mature design at McLaren, based on a absolute convincing core technology and combined with extreme performance at a very attractive price. And yes Jaz, with the GT they have a very clever and attractive niche model.

The small dealer network in US seems to be a real disadvantage. Here in our small country we have three McLaren dealers. Much more than an hour, no one has to drive.

Please Ferrari, wake up!

 

Yes! Big problem. You'd think Vegas would CERTAINLY have a dealership.

 

I know 2 LV locals who had them and gave up sending them back and forth to Newport.

One was actually damaged in shipment. After it was repaired he said don't send it back --- just sell it.

The 570s doesn't use the hydraulic suspension which is what I didn't like in the 12c. Also it appears to be easier to get in and out of. The one thing I don't like -- there's no way to even see the engine, ever.

 

Mclaren don't care about car depreciation, they can add new models to offer like Porsche,

 

The 570S is a very attractive alternative to a 911 Turbo S - you get an exotic with great performance for not much more money than a popular Porsche. A Dino in the same price range would be very successful IMO.

 

Can you imagine a world where the US Ferrari dealers would sell cars without all the BS games? A $200k volume seller Dino would require a major overhaul of their business practices...

BTW, rumor around last year that the DINO would use the Alfa 4Cs CF chassis.

 

Not possible. The Alfa 4c is way too small to be a Dino and they would have to figure out a better way to get in and out of the car.

Also a hand laid up 4c chassis alone costs about 40 grand. It's too expensive. Alfa loses money on every 4c it makes. Ferrari won't need a PR stunt.

I can perhaps see them doing a CF chassis like the Mac and Aventador that is not hand laid up and more of an injection molded process. But that's not the 4 c chassis at all.

 

The problem is they priced them like Ferrari's and then pushed them on dealers to dump them. Resale fell like a stone. Why would you buy an expensive new car when you can get a one year old 2000 mile model at 70 grand off?

The only way is to get the new one at-- 70 grand off MSRP

 

I test drove a 570s last week, felt just as quick as my 458 spider. Much easier to get in and out of compared to the 650s. Modern electronics and most will use as a daily driver. If my allocation for a 488 does not come thru by end of this year, I plan on getting one.

 

I agree. Not a big McLaren fan but this new 570S is attractive. Prefer it over the other designs put out by them. As far as the Dino goes if the rendering shown here is anything like the real life design I think it would be a win win for Ferrari and the market.

 

It seems to be official that Ferrari stopped the Dino development based on a shortened 488 platform with V6 turbo (derived from the Ferrari 90° V8 F154 engine (Alfa) and not the Maserati 60° V6). The reasoning: to high development and production costs as well as capacity problems in the factory and in trade.

 

Are you sure ? this car seems to be so important for Ferrari !

 

Was written in a well known German magazine, I'm afraid it's true.

 

Link ?

 

Auto Bild (the #1 in Europe), issue 16, April 22th 2016.

I try to translate: Why Ferrari cancels two projects. George Kacher "I have been informed from a reliable source that Ferrari has canceled two important projects, despite IPO and billions in reserve. First the Dino V6, which should be based on the shortened and accordingly lighter platform from the 488 GTB successor. The reasons are to high development and production costs as well as capacity problems in the factory and in trade. The second project which Ferrari has cancelled is the LaFerrarina, a smaller and cheaper variant from the LaFerrari. Instead, Ferrari want to celebrate the 70th birthday in 2017 with the LaFerrari Spyder, which will be even more extreme, even more expensive - and even more rarely".
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I feel it's a mistake to cancel the Dino - They could easily sell it no matter what the dev cost were

But maybe they are taking a cue from McLaren's book and offering a cheaper detuned version of the 488 replacement ??

 

Ferrari could certainly make a great Dino 2

After all the F1 engine is a twin turbo V6.

Design a small and lighter mid rear engine chassis than the 488.

Carbon ceramic brake package with magnetic dampers.

Ferrari in house design could create a nice chassis

And voila you would have a great car.

The only problem is how to price it and how many to sell!

 

Great post!

 

Try a Porsche Cayman GT4. Not a Dino but close and much less $$$$. Home run for Porsche for sure....

 

The Auto Bild article has one thing very wrong - the point about "despite IPO and billions in reserve." Fiat got the billions, while Ferrari got the debt. Servicing that debt will put a strain on Ferrari's development and racing budgets, so expensive development projects may have to be postponed or cancelled for a while.